max. current through a 4066 switch

Oct 22, 2005 32 Replies

Hi Jim,

can you share with us any useful info that isnt in the data sheet?

Cheers Terry

Without package strays... silicon only. 50 ohm load helps as well ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Reviewing that, looks like the simulator couldn't cope with Fourier of the TRANSIENT output because it doesn't match with what you would expect from a .AC analysis.

(This was back in 1999-2000... probably PSpice Release 8.)

...Jim Thompson

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Dual-gate mosfets work well too. In the palmy days, I used to use a lot of 3N201s for sampling.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

Ron spread, anything else they dont mention in the datasheet that you think is interesting/useful.

Cheers Terry

I need to translate current to voltage at a virtual ground point using an op-amp with switchable feedback resistors spanning 7 decades. The feedback resistance for the highest current range (+-100mA) is 20 ohms, and for the lowest range (+-100nA) it is 20Mohms.

I know the easy way out is to use a reed relay for each resistor, but in hope to reduce board space I'm wondering if a fully analog switch approach would work. The off state leakage of 4053 series is specified at

10pA typical, or 1/1000th of the lowest range, 100nA. The maximum leakage is specified at 100nA, or 10000 times its typical ! but if you carefully read the TI CD4051 data sheet this 100nA figure is limited by automated leakage testing during production.

My current thinking is to go for a reed relay only for the 10mA and

100mA range resistors, and a 4051 8:1 mux for all lower ranges. A 2nd 8:1 mux will be used to read the voltage directly across each resistor, and avoid potential nonlinearities and voltage drops across the resistor switches. some like below

|\\ GND---|+ \\___________ Iin--o--|- / | | |/ | | | | / | o--20M--o--o' o---o | | | | '------------> mux2 ch6 | | | / | o--2M---o--o' o---o | | | | '------------> mux2 ch5 | | | / | o-200k--o--o' o---o | | | | '------------> mux2 ch4 | | | / | o--20k--o--o' o---o | | | | '------------> mux2 ch3 | | | / | o--2k---o--o' o---o | | | | '------------> mux2 ch2 | | | / | o--200--o--o' o---o | | | | '------------> mux2 ch1 | | | / | '--20---o--o' o---o | '------------> mux2 ch0

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ROFL... page 12, 100kHz, 50R load isolation test: -350dB (Ziso = 1.6 10^19 or Cpar =

10^-13 pF). Did they actually bought that sim result?

I want you to design me a 10GHz switch with 200dB iso. That should leave you a nice 50dB margin :-)

Thanks, Fred.

Hi Jim,

thanks for that. very interesting, esp. that strays dominate crosstalk. that always seems to be the case.

Cheers Terry

Trying to decipher (after 5 years) what went bad, looks like it was the Probe Macro "VdB" that was defective.

This was all done in a month, scrambling like mad. Customer (Motorola/ON) didn't say "boo" at the design review ;-)

Particularly jumps out at you when you look at the capacitance simulations :-(

The products ARE in production SUCCESSFULLY ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Just the gravitational attraction between electrons would give more feedthrough than -350 dB. I guess Spice doesn't model that.

John

'LVX' versions....

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...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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Well, everything, of course! :-)

Thanks! Rich

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Cpar =

you

Then I'm still amazed. I we allow 10fF of silicon strays the figures should be -130dB. Plus the pb with FFT isn't the absolute level but when the harmonics relative level is too low wrt fundamental. Here we have a full flat: probably a missing input signal. But what really cought my attention is: is that this report that you gave your customer? He should have pointed this out within a picosecond, more or less :-) What is a realistic Cds stray?

Now I'm curious: for gates like this do you run a post layout sim with extracted parasitics? Do you do it all the time or which criterias do you use to decide to do it or not?

Thanks, Fred.

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