low distortion antenna amp

Hi All, The article below shows a low distortion antenna amp for BCB and SW.

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When built as a push pull it has stated specs such as

12db power gain ICP2in +100 ICP3in +35 Flat from 100khz to 30 Mhz I'm interested in comments, and I'm also trying to generate some interest in maybe some simulations to work on biasing options. The author states more work needs to be done on transformer winding ratios. Take a look, it is an interesting article. Mike
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amdx
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Yes, it's an interesting article. I do think you need to ask yourself exactly what problem you're trying to solve before just jumping in, though. One thing that can be very useful is an antenna/preselector that can get rid of "boomers" before they get to the amplifier. For example, a small tuned loop can be oriented to null an on-frequency interfering signal, and will have enough selectivity (assuming it's tuned) that off-frequency boomers will be much less problem. That doesn't work if you _must_ listen to everything all the time, though even then notching out one or two large signals can be useful. Because of the very high atmospheric noise on MW and even up into HF, there is seldom a need for a very good noise figure; the distortion performance takes precidence because of all the large signals around.

With a good antenna, there may be no need for an amplifier before the mixer at all, and it's possible to build mixers with input IP3s up around +50dBm -- there are people that read this group that know how to do that. Once past the mixer, you can filter, and if your _filter_ had low enough distortion and selects the signal you want while attenuating others, the rest of the amplifier chain doesn't have to be _quite_ as good.

I have an abiding interest in amplifiers with good distortion performance over just the band mentioned, though, and I can tell you that over most of it, you can do quite well with modern op amps. One example (but not the only one) is the circuit on the front page of the OPA847 data sheet. The OPA847 also has very respectably low noise. There are a few non-operational-amplifiers that do quite well, too. The IC amps generally have more noise, I think, than what's mentioned in the article (I haven't read it all -- yet), but they should be adequate for at least MF and lower HF work.

Just this morning I came across a PDF talking about using simulation software to optimize an amplifier for good distortion performance--it was an ap note that touted the (somewhat expensive for ham use) simulation software from that company. I didn't bother downloading it because it was out of both my price range (the software) and my frequency range (the ap note).

I'm curious about comments from BCB DXers--from what I've seen, it's hard to find signals you could listen to that are all that small, because there are so many stations on the air that every "channel" has something at least moderately large in it. For example, I see local stations here at about -30dBm on the antenna I'm using, and I can see signals every 10kHz across the whole band that are seldom lower than

-100dBm--just one or two that are lower than that and not by much. In that situation, a +40dBm TOI should be adequate: distortion from the

-30dBm signals would be 140dB below them, or 50dB below the smallest signals I might want to listen to. But maybe if I spent more time looking at other times of the day, I'd get different results...and certainly having a neighbor running a kW on the same HF band I'm trying to listen to would require much better performance.

Cheers, Tom

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K7ITM

The application where I saw this used, was in an antenna phasing unit, the low distortion helped reduced mixing products in the output of the phasing unit. I didn't see any noise figure in the article, but was told it was 3 or 4 db, (ten years ago).

I'm thinking of using the amp on a Flag/Pennant antenna which has a low output.

I don't have the understanding of the numbers you seem to, but I heard others look for better amps because of mixing products especially on the AM band. The trick in the AM BCB is to null out those large signals to hear the smaller signals.

Thanks for your interest and thoughtful response, BTW the phasing circuit is at

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Found on the following URL with many other good articles.

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Mike

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amdx

I know the lossless feedback based on Dr. Norton (Anzac Electronics) since

1977, when a German M. Martin DJ7VY published in CQ-DL a two stage preamp for 145/440MHz with BFT66 and BFR34A. I modified this amp for my thesis on phased array ultrasonic flaw detectors for lower frequencies. I got much better performance than with the Plessey SL531. F"=1.9dB, and phaseshift change of less than 1deg. over 102dB dynamic range until +16dBm O/P.
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Apricale, Italy
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Hi Ban, Interesting that you mention Anzac, I picked up an Anzac AM-962 at a hamfest many years ago, by the looks of it I thought it might be of the lossless feedback style, but I never found any confirmation on the net. Please help me with your terms.

(1) Definition of F"----?

(2) phaseshift change of less than 1deg. over 102dB dynamic range until +16dBm O/P.

let me guess Very little phaseshift with a large increase of input until the output equals +16dBm??

Thanks, Mike

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amdx

F" is the noise figure. it says how much the noise gets increased in comparison with a resistor of in this case 50 ohms.

yes When you make a phased array amp this is the most important figure, since we want to use zero x-ings to get relevant data. Similar to FM. This is in general only possible with differential amps, which have at least F"= 6 to 8dB. So this application really appreciated this design.

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ciao Ban
Apricale, Italy
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Ban

Wow, that's a very low noise figure, do you recall at what frequency you were working? How does your amp compare to the amp here?

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amdx

There are a number of MW DXers who listen only for signals from outside the Americas where channel spacing of 9 kHz is used. In that case, you can have a 1 kw signal from New Zealand sandwiched somewhere between 2 nearby strong

50 kw US stations while using a long Beverage antenna.

I used to have such a setup - I was a mile from WSB 750 with 50 kw with a

1900' Beverage. I needed close to 100 dB of dynamic range if my meory is correct.

Chuck

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