Fun out-of-scope-bandwidth results

I took a 100MHz DSO with 100MHz probes in 10:1 mode and connected it to a 400MHz LVTTL clock. It is barely able to display anything: the signal is visible, but distorted and heavily attenuated. No wonder.

But then I attached the same to the output of my GaN pulser intended for nanosecond-scale ferrite testing. Behold:

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This is the voltage at the drain (which means that the current through the load resistor ramps about that fast from 0 to 3.3A). I have all reasons to believe that this curve is accurate -- the fall time is 1.5ns or better. So what makes this scope so incredibly good this time?

BTW, here is a tiny 1 turn:1 turn transformer saturating:

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Best regards, Piotr

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Piotr Wyderski
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Heh, driving the probe with a nuke? What's the impedance looking back into your GaN pulser? vs. the 400Mhz thing...

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Bill Martin

Look at the Fourier transforms of the signals you are looking at. A 400Mhz clock hasn't got any frequency content below 400MHz.

The Fourier transform of Dirac pulse has equal amplitudes of every harmonic of it repetition rate out to infinity.

A real pulse loses the harmonics which fit within it's width. What you are seeing is all the harmonic content below 100MHz and progressively reducing amplitudes of the content above 100MHz, which is to say most of what you'd see with an even faster scope.

Cute.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Bill Sloman

Well, kind of. The 400MHz signal comes out of the FIN1028, which can source/sink up to 16mA according to the datasheet. The GaN part is a

15mOhm R_DS_ON transistor (the bottom part of the LMG5200, actually, as the final pulser should be bidirectional). It is capable of a full 0-10V swing in about a nanosecond.

But the impedance should not matter much IMHO, the probe is 10:1.

Best regards, Piotr

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Piotr Wyderski

The pulser is set to produce a pulse train of 1kHz repetition rate with

1% duty cycle. While certainly most of the energy resides below 1GHz, I would expect all of the harmonics to add up to a ~5ns edge due to the HF attenuation of the input amplifiers. Instead, I can see a razor-sharp 1ns edge with virtually no distortion. Even the tiny undershot looks realistic.

I would not be surprised if the ADC were driven directly with my low impedance source. It would be its peak performance point without resorting to undersampling. But there is a ton of analogue hardware in front of it in the scope. Pretty amazing.

Best regards, Piotr

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Piotr Wyderski

To work out what was going on you'd best simulate the pulse shape you expect, do a Fourier transform on it, snip out the frequencies above 100MHz and convert the frequencies you have left back into a repeating pulse.

It's difficult to imagine that this would give you a 1nsec edge, but the asymmetrical pulse you see might deliver this as an artefact.

A 1kHz repetition rate give you one million harmonics out to 1GHz, and cutting off at 100MHz gets rid of 90% of them, but that 90% only shows up as the sharpest feature of the pulse. Intuition isn't a good guide to what might be going on.

The analogue hardware is probably designed to be phase linear up to rather above 100MHz.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Bill Sloman

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