FR4 flex? (2023 Update)

The paddles where the components go can be stiff because they're quite small--a photodiode (5 mm or 14 mm), an SC70 op amp, a SOT23 bootstrap FET, two resistors and a couple of bypass caps. It's mostly the survival of the 'cable' parts that I'm concerned about. If necessary I can probably use wires and leave the FR4 to do the gross mechanical locating.

The whole thing is going to be potted in black silicone rubber (with the PDs visible, of course) because I'm looking at a path loss of > 200 dB electrical--with an amp of LED drive current, we expect to get tens of picoamps of signal photocurrent, and less with a dark-skinned mom.

Melanin absorption causes overestimation of SpO_2, by as much as 8% @ 2 sigma at low SpO_2 values, right where it has the worst effects. The effect mostly disappears at high SpO_2.

We're going to be using a three-wavelength system to avoid that problem, but even without that systematic shift, the absorption still hits the SNR pretty badly.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs
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How about a thing like a giant spider with legs that droop down onto mom's belly? Make it look more friendly, of course. Turtle or rabbit or something.

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jlarkin

lørdag den 17. juli 2021 kl. 18.31.44 UTC+2 skrev snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com:

octopus with sucking cups and everythign

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Suction cups aren't a bad idea at all.

Given a super-flexy, maybe silicone insulated, multiwire cable, I wonder how much vacuum could slip in between the wires. Or make a custom thing, a silicone tube with wires loosely packed inside.

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jlarkin

Fun possibilities spread out before us. ;)

The idea is to keep it really low-profile, mostly for the mom's comfort.

We're looking at all sorts of ways to improve heat-sinking of the LEDs for the same reason. A watt of dissipation in a small area right against your skin, insulated by 0.1 W/m/K elastomer, could get old pretty fast.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

We need the black silicone part to get a good light-tight fit.

Doesn't take much light leakage to blow this measurement right out of the water. Typical path loss is ~200-240 dB electrical.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Seems like a suction puck would be ideal. Of course, mom's skin diffuses light.

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jlarkin

Has to fit a very wide range of shapes comfortably though. The idea is for it to bend under its own weight with no issues. Flex does that OK, but it's inconvenient to put much circuitry on, as well as being expensive.

It's certainly possible with the FR4 paddle-and-skinny-stem approach--the issue is how long the FR4 and copper will survive in the stem part. We'll see!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

This may sound odd, but this may be a perfect application for water cooling, using distilled water. A pair of pretty small tubes should suffice, because of the very large thermal capacity of water. I'd guess that a one square inch radiator will suffice to reject the heat to the air.

Joe Gwinn

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Joe Gwinn

Sounds like you might need some self-diagnostics to spot incipient or intermittent track failures.

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Tom Gardner

Print heads did that.

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jlarkin

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