Foreign Pilot Training Not The Same

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They left out the most relevant part. Mohammed, the young Ethiopia airline co-pilot, with just 200 hours, correctly identified the runaway trim probl em and followed the exact procedure that Boeing put out after the first cra sh, to deal with MCAS running amok. It did not work, he could not move the trim wheel. So much for pilot training. There is a good chance that if US pilots faced the same problem, the same thing would have happened, but the MCAS faulty sensor never happened here, it only happened in three times, wi th two planes. The fact is that this occurs at low altitude, with not much time to sort it out and obviously in the case of Ethiopia, even following the Boeing procedure did not work, the plane was out of trim too much and g oing too fast, so the trim wheel could not be moved. Yes, there was someth ing else that should have worked, but Boeing, in their wisdom, did not incl ude that in their directive that they issued after the first crash.

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Whoey Louie

And how many hours flying commercial aircraft do you have again?

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

The news channels keep telling the wrong story

The fact is that the Ethiopian pilot with low flight hours performed better than the American counterparts but the SW did not react to a correctly followed procedure

Cheers

Klaus

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Klaus Kragelund

Excuse me, but if he crashed the airplane, he gets an F for performance. No American pilots crashed their 737 MAX, ever.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

Well, OK, but his point was also made by Juan Browne, who was an experienced 737 pilot, among many other planes, and now pilots 777 longhaul fights. His YouTube name: blancolirio. He's done several dozen on aspects of the 7373MAX crashes.

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Winfield Hill

that's like describing the car/auto chassis of a new vehicle snapping in 2 on the motorway/freeway as driver error.

NT

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tabbypurr

Attempt at obfuscation and diversion detected. Attempt at obfuscation and diversion REJECTED. The facts are as I stated.

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Whoey Louie

Partly correct. The young co-pilot with 200 hours identified the runaway trim and followed the Boeing procedure. It didn't work because the trim was way out and the plane was going so fast that he could not turn the trim wheel by hand, the force required was too great.

There are procedures that would have worked, unfortunately Boeing didn't spell them out in it's directive after the first crash, another big Boeing screw up.

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Whoey Louie

No, excuse me. No American pilot had the MCAS failure with a stuck AOA sensor on takeoff.

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Whoey Louie

ne co-pilot, with just 200 hours, correctly identified the runaway trim pro blem and followed the exact procedure that Boeing put out after the first c rash, to deal with MCAS running amok. It did not work, he could not move t he trim wheel. So much for pilot training.

** As I understand, the pilot pulled the circuit breaker on the motor that drove the tail plane jack in order to take control away from the on board c omputer. This was in part of the training he received in a MAX simulator.

However, aerodynamic forces were so great in the steep dive the MAX was the n in that the trim wheel was useless without the usual power assist.

Seems the simulator did not actually simulate the force needed on the wheel without power assist.

Wonder if some engineer will now add that feature ?

.... Phil

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Phil Allison

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