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And here's the sinister strategy of the academics. They are saying to the young, your parents have ruined the world by Global Warming. Join us to overthrow their corrupt system, and help us build a better, fairer system. I call this socialist mind control, but it's a typical strategy of those in power to get votes and commit various offenses.

Many of these leaders are wealthy and have inherited wealth from their capitalist family. So they have never had to embody the values to be a success in capitalist terms. AL Gore's family inherited several hundred million $ from Occidental Petroleum stock. (Oxy Pete) He grew up in hotels in DC, as his father was a politician. He had a "wooden" look, and was jokingly called a "cigar store indian." (I think he was a smoker.)

Then he put together a global warming road show and presented it to college campuses. I attended it. Next he announced a cable channel devoted to ecology. But wait! He then sold the network to Al Jazeera. He also was on the take from a number of "stimulus plans." This may have been a bribe to keep him from running, I don't know. So he exited with >200 million. He bought a big mansion and a jet.

I'll get back to you, after I finish the comments. All 8,350! Mikek

My Tomato plans are only 18" tall or so. Very slow and cool season so far.

Wish ther WAS global warming ;)

Cheers

They would appreciate more CO2.

I have one of those upside-down tomato planters hanging on the patio (in the shade). It's warm enough here ;-) ...Jim Thompson

Jim and John Larkin are silly enough to take seriously the denialist propag anda that the Daily Telegraph publishes from time to time to satisfy its ow ners and the right-wing nitwits who can be bothered reading it.

No academic is saying anything of the sort.

The world isn't anything like ruined yet, even if anthropogenic global warm ing is definitely going on, and has already delivered more frequent extreme weather events in recent years.

irer system.

That isn't actually what they are saying - academics tend to confine themse lves to the facts, which are that atmospheric CO2 levels have gone up from

The average temperature of the surface of the planet has gone up over the s ame period - things like the El Nino/La Nina oscillation and the Atlantic M ultidecadal oscillation have made the warming curve bumpy but the overall r ise is big enough to be significant, and hard to explain any other way.

Ice core data going a back about a million years or so shows that atmospher ic CO2 levels used to alternate between about 270ppm during interglacials a nd 180ppm during ice ages, which seems to be one of the positive feedbacks that make that alternation possible.

in power to get votes and commit various offences.

In fact what the academics were doing was working out how the tiny Milankov itch effect could create the relatively large alternation between interglac ials and ice ages. The implication that burning lots of fossil carbon and a llowing the CO2 produced to raise CO2 levels in the atmosphere might be a t rifle irresponsible follows fairly obviously.

People were interested in the "greenhouse effect" long before anthropogenic global warming got big enough to be worrying.

so your daft conspiracy theory isn't all that credible.

capitalist family. So they have never had to embody the values to be a succ ess in capitalist terms. AL Gore's family inherited several hundred millio n $ from Occidental Petroleum stock. (Oxy Pete) He grew up in hotels in DC, as his father was a politician. He had a "wooden" look, and was jokingly c alled a "cigar store indian." (I think he was a smoker.)

Al Gore isn't an academic. He did get exposed to one of the early pioneers of CO2 measurement - Roger Revelle - when he took one of Revelle classes in his senior year at Harvard, but he majored in government, and took science courses as minors, out of interest - he didn't do well in them, but he doe s have a history of listening to academic advice and understanding it bette r than most politicians can manage.

He's certainly not representative in any way of the academics who did do th e pioneering work on anthropogenic global warming (as you might be able to work out if you slogged through the AIP web-site - which does strikes me as being a little beyond your capability).

Roger Revelle really was an academic, and his attitude was directly opposed to the one you are attributing to academics in general. Shortly before he died - in 1991 - he went on record as being against "drastic" steps to reve rse anthropogenic global warming.

He was in favour of "prudent" steps, but at the time the evidence wasn't an ything like as strong as it is now, and - at that time - he felt that it wa sn't strong enough to justify spending a lot of money on such projects.

ge campuses. I attended it. Next he announced a cable channel devoted to e cology. But wait! He then sold the network to Al Jazeera. He also was on t he take from a number of "stimulus plans." This may have been a bribe to keep him from running, I don't know. So he exited with >200 million. He bou ght a big mansion and a jet.

He comes from a family with money and he knows how to make money. His inter est in anthropogenic global warming goes back a long way - his first - and remarkably successful - book "Earth in the Balance: Forging a New Common Pu rpose." ISBN 0-618-05664-5 was published by Earthscan in 1992, rather befo re the subject had become fashionable, roughly at the time that there'd bee n just enough anthropogenic global warming for scientist to start thinking that it couldn't be due to the random noise on the temperature measurements . He's been correspondingly well-placed to make money out of the area since then.

I read the 1992 book a few years ago, and it's aged remarkably well. The ro ad show - which became "An Inconvenient Truth" - does include some dubious clap-trap, as you'd expect in something that was put together by a politici an to appeal to live audiences, but the book is rather more responsible.

aganda that the Daily Telegraph publishes from time to time to satisfy its owners and the right-wing nitwits who can be bothered reading it.

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rming is definitely going on, and has already delivered more frequent extre me weather events in recent years.

fairer system.

selves to the facts, which are that atmospheric CO2 levels have gone up fro m 315ppm when reliable direct measurements first started - in 1958 - to 400 ppm now.

same period - things like the El Nino/La Nina oscillation and the Atlantic Multidecadal oscillation have made the warming curve bumpy but the overall rise is big enough to be significant, and hard to explain any other way.

eric CO2 levels used to alternate between about 270ppm during interglacials and 180ppm during ice ages, which seems to be one of the positive feedback s that make that alternation possible.

e in power to get votes and commit various offences.

ovitch effect could create the relatively large alternation between intergl acials and ice ages. The implication that burning lots of fossil carbon and allowing the CO2 produced to raise CO2 levels in the atmosphere might be a trifle irresponsible follows fairly obviously.

ic global warming got big enough to be worrying.

ccess in capitalist terms. AL Gore's family inherited several hundred mill ion $ from Occidental Petroleum stock. (Oxy Pete) He grew up in hotels in D C, as his father was a politician. He had a "wooden" look, and was jokingly called a "cigar store indian." (I think he was a smoker.)

s of CO2 measurement - Roger Revelle - when he took one of Revelle classes in his senior year at Harvard, but he majored in government, and took scien ce courses as minors, out of interest - he didn't do well in them, but he d oes have a history of listening to academic advice and understanding it bet ter than most politicians can manage.

the pioneering work on anthropogenic global warming (as you might be able t o work out if you slogged through the AIP web-site - which does strikes me as being a little beyond your capability).

ed to the one you are attributing to academics in general. Shortly before h e died - in 1991 - he went on record as being against "drastic" steps to re verse anthropogenic global warming.

anything like as strong as it is now, and - at that time - he felt that it wasn't strong enough to justify spending a lot of money on such projects.

lege campuses. I attended it. Next he announced a cable channel devoted to ecology. But wait! He then sold the network to Al Jazeera. He also was on the take from a number of "stimulus plans." This may have been a bribe t o keep him from running, I don't know. So he exited with >200 million. He b ought a big mansion and a jet.

erest in anthropogenic global warming goes back a long way - his first - an d remarkably successful - book "Earth in the Balance: Forging a New Common Purpose." ISBN 0-618-05664-5 was published by Earthscan in 1992, rather be fore the subject had become fashionable, roughly at the time that there'd b een just enough anthropogenic global warming for scientist to start thinkin g that it couldn't be due to the random noise on the temperature measuremen ts. He's been correspondingly well-placed to make money out of the area sin ce then.

road show - which became "An Inconvenient Truth" - does include some dubiou s clap-trap, as you'd expect in something that was put together by a politi cian to appeal to live audiences, but the book is rather more responsible.

You are what Lenin called "a useful idiot." your favorite liberal politicia ns are crooks and you dont know right from wrong, as well as make a habit of dissembling. What a sorry state.

Slowman is trying out to be declared village idiot of all PhD candidates >:-}

Remember: An unfed troll gathers no podium. ...Jim Thompson

opaganda that the Daily Telegraph publishes from time to time to satisfy it s owners and the right-wing nitwits who can be bothered reading it.

the young, your parents have ruined the world by Global Warming.

warming is definitely going on, and has already delivered more frequent ext reme weather events in recent years.

, fairer system.

emselves to the facts, which are that atmospheric CO2 levels have gone up f rom 315ppm when reliable direct measurements first started - in 1958 - to 4

he same period - things like the El Nino/La Nina oscillation and the Atlant ic Multidecadal oscillation have made the warming curve bumpy but the overa ll rise is big enough to be significant, and hard to explain any other way.

pheric CO2 levels used to alternate between about 270ppm during inter-glaci als and 180ppm during ice ages, which seems to be one of the positive feedb acks that make that alternation possible.

ose in power to get votes and commit various offences.

nkovitch effect could create the relatively large alternation between inter

-glacials and ice ages. The implication that burning lots of fossil carbon and allowing the CO2 produced to raise CO2 levels in the atmosphere might b e a trifle irresponsible follows fairly obviously.

enic global warming got big enough to be worrying.

r capitalist family. So they have never had to embody the values to be a success in capitalist terms. AL Gore's family inherited several hundred mi llion $ from Occidental Petroleum stock. (Oxy Pete) He grew up in hotels in DC, as his father was a politician. He had a "wooden" look, and was joking ly called a "cigar store indian." (I think he was a smoker.)

ers of CO2 measurement - Roger Revelle - when he took one of Revelle classe s in his senior year at Harvard, but he majored in government, and took sci ence courses as minors, out of interest - he didn't do well in them, but he does have a history of listening to academic advice and understanding it b etter than most politicians can manage.

o the pioneering work on anthropogenic global warming (as you might be able to work out if you slogged through the AIP web-site - which does strikes m e as being a little beyond your capability).

osed to the one you are attributing to academics in general. Shortly before he died - in 1991 - he went on record as being against "drastic" steps to reverse anthropogenic global warming.

t anything like as strong as it is now, and - at that time - he felt that i t wasn't strong enough to justify spending a lot of money on such projects.

ed it to college campuses. I attended it. Next he announced a cable channe l devoted to ecology. But wait! He then sold the network to Al Jazeera. He also was on the take from a number of "stimulus plans." This may have be en a bribe to keep him from running, I don't know. So he exited with >200 m illion. He bought a big mansion and a jet.

nterest in anthropogenic global warming goes back a long way - his first - and remarkably successful - book "Earth in the Balance: Forging a New Commo n Purpose." ISBN 0-618-05664-5 was published by Earthscan in 1992, rather before the subject had become fashionable, roughly at the time that there'd been just enough anthropogenic global warming for scientist to start think ing that it couldn't be due to the random noise on the temperature measurem ents. He's been correspondingly well-placed to make money out of the area s ince then.

e road show - which became "An Inconvenient Truth" - does include some dubi ous clap-trap, as you'd expect in something that was put together by a poli tician to appeal to live audiences, but the book is rather more responsibl e.

Haitic calling anybody else an idiot does display a certain disconnection f rom reality, particularly when I've just pointed out that the points he th ought he was making were totally misconceived - in some detail, none of whi ch he has bothered to disagree with.

Haitic ill-informed and uncritical enthusiasm for recycling denialist nonse nse about anthropogenic global warming is rather closer the kind of credulo us response that Lenin was describing.

om wrong, as well as make a habit of dissembling. What a sorry state.

Not as sorry as the state of your logic, or your credibility.

ropaganda that the Daily Telegraph publishes from time to time to satisfy i ts owners and the right-wing nitwits who can be bothered reading it.

cians are crooks and you dont know right from wrong, as well as make a habi t of dissembling. What a sorry state.

candidates >:-}

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson never misses a chance to remind us h ow far out of touch with reality he really is. I stopped being a Ph.D. cand idate back in 1970, when I was finally awarded the degree, but Jim wouldn't know about that, having passed through MIT without learning anything outsi de of electronics. The distinction between a Ph.D. candidate and a Ph.D. gr aduate presumably isn't one that he's ever been called on to recognise.

I had to put up with one Ph.D. candidate who took our voltage contrast elec tron microscopes apart, put it back together wrong, and then complained tha t it wasn't working - the service engineer who went up to Scotland with me was amused. We had to take the blanking plates off to the shadowgraph in th e DEC machine shop before we could realign them correctly, but with a shado wgraph it is dead easy and very quick. The competition to be declared villa ge idiot of all Ph.D. candidates is pretty fierce.

Jim, you reckon thats bad check this out

It's called dementia!

Jamie

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:30:01 AM UTC+10, Maynard A. Philbrook Jr. wr ote:

icians are crooks and you don't know right from wrong, as well as make a ha bit of dissembling. What a sorry state.

Wrong. That was abuse, and since Haitic is actually a "useful idiot" for th e denialist propaganda machine, it was decidedly comical abuse.

Since you are little too dim to have followed what was actually going on, I 'll forgive you.

A more sophisticated and careful reader might have noticed that Haitic won' t have a clue who my favourite liberal politicans might be, so he can't po ssibly know if they are crooked. In Australia, of course, a "liberal politi cian" is actually a member of the decidedly right-wing Liberal Party, which happens to be in power here at the moment, in coalition with the much smal ler National Country Party, whose power base is in agriculture. I don't thi nk much of any of them, and suspect that quite a few of them may well be cr ooks, but picking my favourites out of that bunch would arguing precedence between fleas and lice, as Dr. Johnson once put it.