EXXON Always Knew AGW Was Real...

Exxon is great. It's amazing how efficiently they can drill, extract, refine, transport, and sell petroleum products. Safeway is more often out of milk than an Exxon station is out of gasoline.

Milk costs more, too. Heck, bottled water costs more than gasoline.

How do you get around? Bicycle? Walk? Electric golf cart?

He lives a pre-industrial revolution lifestyle and worries about starving during the winter. Or wants to.

I don't understand how such sour, angry people can elect to live with no sense of joy or wonder or appreciation for what a great, beautiful, goodie-packed planet has been given to us. No intelligent person would make that mistake.

Well that's just it, it hasn't been given to you, it's not yours, and you don't even belong here. As for intelligence, dunno what kind of 'tard thinks corn is grown for its leaves.

You never told us what you use for personal transport.

Consuming milk and drinking water doesn't have the same long-term effect as burning gasoline, but since John Larkin isn't into long-term thinking he's as willing as Exxon to ignore it.

What's that got to do with anything? If any one of us elected to stop burning fossil carbon, it might delay climate Armageddon by 5 msec.

Voting to switch our energy sources to renewables could be more effective, but - at the moment - involves a short term reduction in economic growth. For people who don't do long term thinking this is unthinkable.

Jamie does live in a strange sub-culture. We know that what he thinks works for him - healthwise - doesn't work for real people. Clearly, he also has other delusions.

Most likely a lift of the pant leg and his thumb!

Jamie

If you only understood the bureaucracy you dish out everytime you post, it's becoming a cancer.

Further more, you don't even know which Jamie you are talking too, that to me indicates that you have a few screws loose.

I am sure all the years of social program hand outs hasn't helped your mental posture that you seem so fond of.

Go back to your tea and crumpet slurping.

Jamie

orks for him - healthwise - doesn't work for real people. Clearly, he also has other delusions.

Bureaucracy isn't something you dish out, even if you are a bureaucrat. Claiming that whatever it is is could become a cancer shows an even weaker appreciation of what words mean - what gets posted here has no means of gro wing.

As I seem to have mentioned before, I can't be bothered discriminating betw een the various Jamies - none of them serves any useful purpose, beyond tha t of being horrible examples of what sloppy thinking does for you.

Do identify the "social program handouts" you have in mind. I got unemploym ent benefit in the Netherlands from 2003 to 2007, but it wasn't a social pr ogram - I'd paid into the fund that paid me when I'd been working (like eve rybody else who had a job in the Netherlands) so it was actually unemployme nt insurance.

I can't recall that it had any effect on my social posture - your opinion m ay differ, but your opinions are worthless.

Haven't drunk tea for many years, nor eaten crumpets since I was a kid. If you had wanted to remind us that you overwork your rather feeble imaginatio n, you would have had to try hard to come up with a more blatant exhibition of its defects.

Don't underestimate loose screws. I stripped a thread in my (carbon-hydrate- powered) aluminum bicycle crank arm yesterday. (It's almost enough to make a low-carbon guy cranky.)

I'm thinking a tap and some Alumiweld rod might rescue it.

Cheers, James Arthur

Everyone knew that long before these reports.

Makes no difference, the whole infrastructure is so fossil fuel dependent it would not matter one iota what I use for transport.

I'd just buy a new one. (It's amazing how much force/ torque you can put on your pedals.) The last thing you want is it blowing out again when you're X miles from home.

George H.

thinking about being x miles from home is after spending some time in a fetal position from trying to bend the frame with the family jewels ;)

-Lasse

Exxon and friends have been amazingly efficient... at getting western governments to force access to resources (even in distant lands and often against the wishes of local inhabitants), shifting many of the costs of extraction and consumption to others, ensuring that financial gains avoid the same kind of taxes that most of us pay, and widespread corruption of the political processes.

We still need to find a better way, even if at this time our society is terribly dependent on petroleum products. As engineers, this should be an exciting challenge, rather than something to avoid!

You and Sloman want everyone else to sacrifice to reduce the CO2 in your immediate vicinity.

The question was of course rhetorical. I knew the answer. Neither of you cares about the Earth or Exxon or any of that; you just need things to be sour and whine about.

What I din't understand is when presumably intelligent people let their emotions whip them around like yours do. Neither of you is intelligent enough to be productive or happy.

Just more of your unimaginative projecting, I live a fairly low energy lifestyle, total costs this time of year at under $39 monthly.

Yes, but then I'd lose bragging rights for riding a $10 bike. :-) I can fix it for zero dollars with nearly 100% certainty, and, I suspect, roughly the time it would take to find a replacement part for a no-name bicycle, or less.

I could probably get a whole new bike for $25, used, but then this one would be wasted. Besides, I'm kind of fond of this fellow. (I think it's his $10 charm.)

Ironically, I was upgrading to robust pedals, having worn through flimsier models with my enthusiasm, and having had to limp home twice. But the thread was 9/16-20, devilishly easy to cross-thread, and much destruction was wrought removing the remaining, still-working but inferior (and cross- threaded) pedal.

No complaints--I've gotten way more than my money's worth of fun out of this bike, and better than broke even on the gas saved, too. But the story's not over yet--I'll resurrect it, and the $10 bike will ride again!

Cheers, James Arthur