Efficiency of Inaudible Piezo Tweeter?

Jun 11, 2012 49 Replies

Never heard of that - where did you read it, Wikipedia? :-).

"Pretty much" for some purposes. Just as amplifier distortion can be detected better with the "two tone" test than with a single tone, non- linearity of air is more readily detected by mixing two ultrasonic signals than by looking at a single tone. A 140 dBa ultrasonic sound is completely inaudible to a human (and probably causes no damage), and it only needs to produce something like a a 60 dBa audible sound right at the ear to be clearly audible. Normally distortion of an audible signal that far down would be pretty much insignificant, but here it is not. Efficiency not required. These systems modulate both frequency and amplitude of the ultrasonic transducers, since that is what is required in the audio frequency output. No doubt you can find a complete description in some Journal of the Acoustical Soc. Am. article, this is old stuff, first heard it at the '64 worlds fair.

The non-linearity of air is also important in the production of harmonics in wind instruments, where sound levels are quire high inside the instrument, and is the reason shock waves can propagate. (Liquids and solids are non-linear too.)

Speaking of shock waves, the N-wave produced by a spark gap in air can have a rise time well under 100 ns, and is a good way to check the frequency response of a microphone up to a few MHz at least, with a bit of attention that reflections arrive only after the rise time measurement is complete and the shock wave is adequately square to the microphone surface. A centimeter or so spark gap is good, discharging a capacitor of a few uF, microphone a couple of meters away so that the spherical wave looks fairly flat at the microphone. A microphone with suitable frequency response is the only reasonable way to check the output of a piezo tweeter. We built some microphones which were flat to 2 MHz at U of R in the late 60's; not sure what is available off the shelf today.

Glen

"Glen Walpert = WANKER "

** You've never head of a lot of things.
** Lets say it's under 1% non-linearity.

** Utter bollocks.
** Any two frequencies would do as well.
** " dBa " ???? That is new to science.....

At supersonic frequencies, the various weighting curves are " undefined" - but by extrapolation they would be about -30 dB even at 50kHz.

It is not possible to generate 170 dB or even 140 dB SPL over any useful area at such a frequency by ordinary means.

** Bet the local SPL inside the instrument is more than 150dB SPL.
** Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...

Piss off - you RIDICULOUS WANKER !!!

4,6,8 Mhz ulrasound are used in medical Electronics.

Ken

Yes, but not in air. Air becomes very lossy by 1 MHz due to thermal conductivity, the effect of which increases with frequency due to the shorter distance between peak and trough, made worse by the nonlinear effects which transfer energy from the fundamental to higher harmonics, an effect which also increases with frequency since the warmer, faster traveling peaks overtake the cooler troughs in less distance, and those higher harmonics are even lossier due to thermal conduction.

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"> Speaking of shock waves, the N-wave produced by a spark gap in air can

Hi Glen, Please excuse my ignorance, but what the 'bleep' is an N- wave?

I did find this,

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Which says in the abstract that an N-wave is a shcok wave with an N shaped pressure profile.

George H.

and is a good way to check the

The shock wave from a spark in air looks like this:

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Where the dashed center line represents atmospheric pressure, the leading positive pressure shock wave is from the expansion of air by the spark, followed by gradual drop in pressure to the negative pressure area from the cooling of the air after the spark ends and another shock wave at the return to atmospheric end. If you look close to the spark it will look a bit different because it takes some distance for the shock waves to fully develop from the effect of higher pressure parts of a sound wave being warmer and traveling faster than the lower pressure, cooler parts.

A sonic boom looks almost exactly the same, except the middle pressure drop section shows features of the plane, from which the type of aircraft can be identified.

Glen

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Wow! Thanks. Unfortunately the current project is on acoustics in liquids and solids. The air/water impedance mis-match is so great, it's like two different worlds. Any attempts at air/water 1/4 wavelength impedance matching?

George H.

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Could be. The ear is non-linear in interesting ways. Then again so is air, and air could produce some of the mixing. Of course if the application is underwater, water is even more interestingly non-linear.

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Yep, and wonderful and exotic. And i have two of them, talk about lucky.

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Oh, and non-linear in interesting ways.

Not that I know of. Somehow that sounds a lot harder than using an underwater microphone to air speaker or vice-versa.

BTW liquids and solids exhibit nonlinear properties similar to those in gases, with higher pressure parts of a sound wave traveling faster than lower pressure parts, which allows for positive but not negative shock waves as in air. Unlike gas nonlinearities, which are predicted exactly from analysis of the properties of an ideal gas, solid and liquid nonlinearities are modeled empirically. While nonlinearities are important in shock wave analysis, they can probably be neglected in ultrasound imaging applications until you start to look at theoretical resolution limits, where nonlinearities and losses will limit the minimum wavelength you can use.

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