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That's a myth. I had this same argument with an engineer one day so we broke out the test sets. Absolutely no discernable bit error rate, with or without the staples, even if you get downright agressive with the staple gun.

Also, if you look carefully, you'll see that the staples intended for wire use are often curved to prevent cable cuts. And of course, (hopefully!!) Jim's desk isn't rockin' that much. :)

But as you say, yes, you probably wouldn't want to use staples if you expected a lot of repetitive cable movement.

-mpm

But for audio cables you need to use gold-plated staples with silk cloth buffer wraps. The ones that retail for $19.99 per staple and can only be applied with a matching staple gun and the proper incantations. Otherwise the crescendos in a concerto will sound somewhat flat :-)

Yep, P clips

JAM

The glue (double-stick foam tape?) isn't really compatible with the particle board; hotmelt is easiest to work with, here; a U-shaped wood block and a glue gun is quick and easy.

The problem is, the screw retention is less than it should be; that isn't much of a problem for a cable-routing clip, but special screws and predrilling are best for particleboard. Standard woodscrews don't damage the wood unless you drive 'em in endgrain, but cause internal fractures if driven into particleboard. Large diameter screws with predrilled holes are recommended for best strength.

..and RS sells similar "U" shaped staples with cardboard inserts that helps to protect the wires.

I've got a box of "Insulated staples" that I got at Home Depot some years ago. They're an ordinary staple, but curved on top, with a piece of sturdy card stock or fiber already fitted so it goes between the wire and the staple.

I'd post a pic, but I haven't rebatteried my cam yet. )-;

Cheers! Rich

Yes - particle board can be quite hard.

Cheers! Rich

Those are for low voltage signals, in particular door bells and phones. There are also staples intended for Romex that have a plastic piece to hold the cable without damaging it. Neither are going to work worth a damn on particle board.

Construction sounds just like the RS staples.

He's crossposting to a.b.s.e

Mark Zenier snipped-for-privacy@eskimo.com Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

That can't be the reason. My news server simply doesn't offer a.b.s.e. but the posts into this group should show up. Possibly the reason might be that Jim recently sent multiple canned messages of same content. That gets picked up by filter programs because it's a classic pattern of sellers.

Eternal September does have a.b.s.e but doesn't allow the binaries through in either direction.

What good does that do?

A least you can see that a post has been made...

Actually I think someone requested that it be added. ES is basically a text only server.

I see posts from a.b.s.e on both ES and 202.177.16.121, sometimes I see a picture or PDF etc there but never on ET. I say sometimes because not all servers allow binary posts unless you pay to use them. Since ISP's have all but killed off supplying access to news groups (UK) and are forcing users to go onto webmail, I suspect that Email will become a chargeable commodity in the not to distant future.

It does allow binaries from some people. I've posted jpgs there successfully using Eternal-September. But some (many? most?) binaries don't make it there - just tested with John Fields, and I can't see his binaries there.

Maybe it works only for binaries posted there using eternal-september. Dunno.

Ed

A lot of servers filter based on combinations in the Newsgroups header. I'd have figured that individual.net was doing that with some or all of alt.binaries, given their text only policy. Lower overhead than a content or size based filter. (Highwinds does this with the "rush limbaugh" groups where they're off topic, probably by request).

Mark Zenier snipped-for-privacy@eskimo.com Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Individual.net doesn't carry any groups from alt.binary.

:-)