A few days ago I ran a Craigslist ad for an intern, specifically an EE student or grad, for embedded systems design and programming, with possibility of permanent employment.
So far, 35 responses. 3 Chinese, 29 Indian, three clearly US natives.
John
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Sure about that? I once was, then when calling the first suitable candidate a pronounced UK-style accent could be heard ;-)
The funniest situation was a guy who was really an American but insisted the interview be conducted in German because he and I both spoke it. Ok then. So here he was, born and raised in the US, speaking very fluent German with a very thick French accent.
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^^^^^^^^^^ Which tribe? No people from European origin applied? :-)) Its all just relative I guess.
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We had five or six Chinese new arrivals to Canada working at the Oil equipment company. I swear that every technical manual or build spec in the place went home more than once with those people.
They were probably scanning them all and emailing them back home.
Another occurrence of note was a Nitrogen pumping unit sold to the communists. They specified that NO Chinese components were to be used in the unit. I remember thinking they were going to pull the thing completely apart upon arrival and they wanted to see how the rest of the world was making things. Scary...
mike
If you had been a law firm it would have been 35 US applicants...
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On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:31:46 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in :
Makes sense, US are mainly cowboys :-)
Don't forget the cowgirls.
John
But the real indians are running casinos, they don't want to do embedded systems.
The UK saw a 45% decrease in EE graduates between 2002 - 2006, and the numbers fell again slightly after that. Our government is making a token effort to encourage more people into the profession, especially as the currently employed EE's are aging fast, but all types of engineering and manufacturing have such low social status, and (compared to other Professions) low pay, that very few young folk are interested in it. Partly this is because our media bang on constantly about how we don't do any manufacturing here any more (actually it is about one third of our economy, now the bankers have imploded).
The few teenagers I've met who dabbled in it as a hobby had no intention of following it up as a career. Some intended going into IT.
A friend in the nuclear industry told me a tale of staff shortages there about 3 years ago: one of the few universities which taught nuclear chemistry (I forget the exact name of the subject but it's about radionuclides and stuff, specifically for the nuclear industry) graduated 17 pupils that year. Not one went into the nuclear industry, and only 3 went into any kind of science. Our nuclear operators (power, decommissioning) are prepared to offer them serious salaries, but no.
I think it's a slightly different case on the Continent, where the title "Engineer" is protected by law and is distinct, in the publics' eye, from Technician or Washing Machine Repairman. Thus we seem to be hiring in services from there more and more, for example the French will be building and running our next generation of nuclear power stations because we've simply lost the skills base ourselves. I've been asked what I do by a member of the public, said Electronic Engineer, and been answered "oh yes my son's an electrician too".
I think the problem is mainly a matter of political leadership. They don't understand what we do, and our profession is rather modest about its achievements whereas the non-productive areas of society are constantly lobbying and claiming they make $$$ for the economy (which they then hide offshore rather than recirculating into the local economy through employment). Whereas in China ... let's do a bit of googling here to back up something I've heard... wow this is interesting. Have a look at the membership of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (which I think is the ruling body, but no doubt someone will say it's more complicated than that). Whatever, I think you'd find the same in other top committees there:
Source:
Hu Jintao (president of the People's Republic of China) - "graduated from the Water Conservancy Engineering Department of Tsinghua University, where he had a major in the study of hub hydropower stations. He is an engineer."
Wu Bangguo - page not found - cue conspiracy theory...
Wen Jiabao - (premier of the State Council) - He undertook postgraduate study and now is an engineer. (Geological engineering.)
Jia Qinglin - engineer. Not sure if that is a full engineer, but he's worked a lot in heavy industry.
Zeng Qinghong (VP of PR of China) - engineer.
Huang Ju - (Vice Premier of PRC) - engineer.
Wu Guanzheng - postgrad, engineer.
Li Changchun - engineer.
Luo Gan - senior engineer, mining & metallurgy.
Anyhow - those seem to be the top guys in China. I'm not sure there are exact analogues in Western society to the types of engineering they did, and the degrees seem to be simply the first thing they did before moving up the political or managerial ladder. But their cv's use the word engineer a lot, which shows the regard their society holds the profession in.
Mojave? Navaho?
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Nice hat.
John
Well, she's got the udders for it!
Thanks, Rich
Those are more appropriate candidates for human resources positions.
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Shes wearing a hat ???
How about that shooter ?
h
Yup. Force your eyes to aim up about 30 degrees.
John
ISTR, some years ago, there was a theoretical physics prof who was a Hopi, or some such.
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Smart move. The problem with most engineers is lack of commercial insight. Over here there is almost no money to earn with designing electronics because the market is saturated with people who think they have to charge less than the Chinese. In a couple of months I'm going to work full time in my own company (again). Forseable projects are all about software engineering.
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