confused!

Black come in different types. There are rich an poor, smart and dumb just like with us white folk.

Next time you see a tornado rip through a trailer park, try asking "well why didn't they just hide in the basement".

This is a sick post. We don't this shit here. Take it to your local KKK conclave, where it will make you a hero.

they had transport.

Possible but look at all of the header fields and compare them to the headers from the same individuals going back for months.

There's a big kerfluffle over in c.l.c about forged postings, so the sensitivity level is elevated for this sort of mischief. In this case, the posts do not appear to be forged.

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My first thoughts were that they were forgeries, but the headers look pretty convincing. Jon the racist seems to spell better than Jon the hardhead though.

tty

I've been seeing forgeries of Google headers good enough that Google mistakes them for posts that Google actually posted, allowing the victim of the Joe Job to do a "remove" of them from Google.

[snip]

A few, plus some relatives (by marriage).

And the only Boeing manager I've ever worked for that was worth a damn was (well, I guess he still is) African American.

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Have gnu, will travel.

Methinks Jon Slaughter be the racist here.

...Jim Thompson

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Dunno, there seems to be a lot of "some of my best friends are black" going on around here.

When I run onto someone who uses the phrases that Slaughter uses, I almost always find a closet racist.

I shouldn't get into pissing contests, but New Englanders are fond of pointing fingers at the South (and Southerners and "red necks" as they suppose me to be).

I've done the direct deed, extracted blacks from the isolation crap of Boston and found them nice jobs in Phoenix... where they can also buy a nice house in a nice neighborhood.

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I hope that one day you encounter someone that doesn't CARE "what you mean". You are about as stupid as it gets. Only Roy is more stupid than you.

I find the same anytime someone uses the "some of my best friends..." bullcrap.

New Englanders are always pointing fingers. Notice they're all blue weenies; don't think there is a single red congressional district in NE. When I moved down here people were whispering things like "bet there are a lot of blacks down there", "ok, so?".

[snip]

When I graduated from MIT and let it be known I was going to Arizona, I was told, "There are Indians there" ;-)

For really... it was Prof. Jackson. I was stunned.

...Jim Thompson

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At the first post that brought up the question, i realized that i wanted to go look at my photographs to be sure of classification. I just don't see race past seeing friend or even associate. Mind you i have worked for about 30 years to get here.

The total snip is because he is a total retard.

On Feb 3, 7:58=C2=A0am, "Jon Slaughter" wrote:

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Planting sod, or astroturfing?

Astroturfing

Astroturfing is a word in American English describing formal political, advertising, or public relations campaigns seeking to create the impression of being spontaneous "grassroots" behavior, hence the reference to the artificial grass, AstroTurf.

The goal of such a campaign is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some political entity=E2=80=94a politician, political group, product, service or event. Astroturfers attempt to orchestrate the actions of apparently diverse and geographically distributed individuals, by both overt ("outreach", "awareness", etc.) and covert (disinformation) means. Astroturfing may be undertaken by an individual pushing a personal agenda or highly organized professional groups with financial backing from large corporations, non-profits, or activist organizations. Very often the efforts are conducted by political consultants who also specialize in opposition research.

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1 Word origin 2 Techniques 3 Examples 3.1 Early examples 3.2 Examples from the 1990s 3.3 Recent examples 3.3.1 Political 3.3.2 Business 3.4 Fictional examples 4 See also 5 Footnotes 6 References 7 External links

[edit] Word origin The term is said to have been used first in this context by former US Senator Lloyd Bentsen. It is wordplay based on grassroots democracy efforts =E2=80=93 truly spontaneous undertakings largely sustained by priva= te persons =E2=80=93 as opposed to politicians, governments, corporations, or public relations firms. AstroTurf refers to the bright green artificial grass used in some sports stadiums, so "astroturfing" refers to imitating or faking popular grassroots opinion or behaviour.

This practice is specifically prohibited by the code of ethics of the Public Relations Society of America, the national association for members of the public relations profession in the United States[1]. As a private organization, the most significant punishment PRSA can hand out to members who engage in astroturfing is revocation of membership in the association. Although the International Association of Business Communicators (IABC), does not specifically mention astroturfing, it does require honest communication.

[edit] Techniques Astroturfing is a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause.

US Senator Lloyd Bentsen, believed to have coined the term, was quoted by the Washington Post in 1985 using it to describe a "mountain of cards and letters" sent to his Senate office to promote insurance industry interests, which Bentsen dismissed as "generated mail." [2]

The National Smokers Alliance, an early astroturf group created by Burson-Marsteller on behalf of tobacco giant Philip Morris[3], worked to influence Federal legislation in 1995 by organizing mailings and running a phone-bank urging people to call or write to politicians expressing their opposition to laws aimed at discouraging teens from starting to smoke. [4]

In 1998, a combination of television ads and phone-banks were used to simulate "grassroots" opposition to a bill aimed at discouraging teenage smoking. According to the New York Times, "Those smokers who are reached by phone banks sponsored by cigarette makers, or who call the 800 number shown in television ads, are patched through to the senator of their choice. "[5]

In 2003, apparent "grass-roots" letters appearing in local newspapers around the US were denounced as "astroturf" when Google searches revealed that identical letters were printed with different (local) signatures. The signers were electronically submitting pre-written letters from a political website that offered 5 "GOPoints" for sending one of their letters to a local paper plus an addition 2 "GOPoints" if the letter was published.[6]

In business, astroturfing is one form of stealth marketing, which can include the manipulation of viral marketing. Several examples are described as "undercover marketing" in the documentary The Corporation [7].

The term "astroturfing" is also used to describe public relations activities aimed at "falsely creating the impression of independent, popular support by means of an orchestrated and disguised public relations exercise....designed to give the impression of spontaneous support for an idea/product/company/service," according to the CIPR Social Media Guidleines [2], which cautions members that an astroturfing campaign is "self-evidently likely to contradict the CIPR Code."

It has become easier to structure a commercial astroturfing campaign in the electronic era because the cost and effort to send an e-mail (especially a pre-written, sign-your-name-at-the-bottom e-mail) is so low. Companies may use a boiler room full of telephones and computers where hired activists locate people and groups who create enthusiasm for the specified cause. Also, the use of psychographics allows hired supporters to persuade their targeted audience.

For several years, the People's Republic of China has employed paid "astroturfing bloggers", known as "red vests", "red vanguard", or the "50 Cent Party", the last being a reference to the 5 mao they are paid for each supportive post.[3][4] (Cf. Amazon Mechanical Turk.)

[edit] Examples [edit] Early examples In the late 1800s, King L=C3=A9opold II of Belgium used extensive astroturf lobbying in the US and Europe, including setting up a front organisation known as the International African Association, to facilitate his private colonialism and economic exploitation of the Congo Free State.[8]

At the turn of the 20th century, it was common to have newspapers in major American cities sponsored by local political parties. Some were open about this practice, but many of these relationships were hidden. Other examples include political "clubs" which front for voter fraud and intimidation.

In one case, documented in the book All the President's Men, the Committee to Re-Elect the President orchestrated several campaigns of "public support" for decisions made by President Nixon in the period preceding the 1972 election, including telegrams to the White House and an apparently independent advertisement placed in The New York Times.

Manipulation of public opinion was also used in the Soviet Union. Political decisions were often preceded by massive campaigns of orchestrated 'letters from workers' (=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=8C=D0=BC=D0=B0 = =D1=82=D1=80=D1=83=D0=B4=D1=8F=D1=89=D0=B8=D1=85=D1=81=D1=8F, pisma trudyashchikhsya) which were quoted and published in newspapers and radio.[citation needed] In Stalin's era, massive "public demonstrations" were organized against "the enemies of the people"; those attending were often forced or intimidated into doing so.

[edit] Examples from the 1990s In 1991 a memo from PR firm van Kloberg & Associates to Zairian ambassador Tatanene Tanata referring to the "Zaire Program 1991" was leaked. The memo outlines steps the firm was taking to improve the image of Mobutu Sese Seko's regime, including placing dozens of letters to the editor, op-ed pieces, and articles in the American press praising the Zairian government. [5] In 1998, Paul Reitsma, former member of the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, was accused of writing letters to newspapers under assumed names praising himself and attacking his political opponents. A Parksville newspaper had asked a former RCMP handwriting expert to compare a sample of Reitsma's handwriting to that of letters to the editor submitted by a "Warren Betanko", and then ran a story titled "MLA Reitsma is a liar and we can prove it". For this, Reitsma was expelled from the caucus of the British Columbia Liberal Party and then compelled to resign his seat after it became obvious that an effort to recall him would succeed. [6] In 1996, Philip Morris funded the creation of the "Guest Choice Network," which opposed regulation of smoking in restaurants, bars, and hotels. The group, now called the Center for Consumer Freedom, today is primarily funded by agribusiness and food companies, including Wendy's, Pilgrim's Pride and Tyson Foods.[citation needed] [edit] Recent examples [edit] Political In the early 1990s, the federal American Stop Smoking Intervention Study (ASSIST) program used federal funding to create the appearance of concerned citizens groups lobbying for the levy and allocation of state tobacco taxes. The beneficiaries of this program were tax-exempt voluntary health associations (VHAs) such as the American Cancer Society and American Heart Association who could not lobby for federal funding without violating tax laws, but who could lobby state governments. The plan was hatched in the wake of California's Proposition 99 of 1988, where in-fighting over allocation of the revenues almost scuttled the proposition. The federal program, administered through the National Cancer Institute, including hiring the Advocacy Institute to teach the ASSIST and VHA staff to set up interlocking front organizations. These front organizations presented themselves as a groundswell of concerned citizens' groups, but were wholly staffed by employees of the federal offices and beneficiary VHAs.[9] Since 2005, schools and political party organizations in People's Republic of China are recruiting paid-per-comment bloggers countering unfavorable information on websites, bulletin boards, and other internet-accessible sources; they are collectively known as the 50 Cent Party.[10] In August 2006, a science journalist for the Wall Street Journal[11] revealed that a YouTube video, "Al Gore's Penguin Army", which was claimed to be an amateur work, in fact came from the computers of DCI Group, a Washington, D.C.-based PR firm whose client list includes ExxonMobil and General Motors. (See Al Gore's Penguin Army video controversy.) This hoax was discovered when journalist Antonio Ragalado noticed that the YouTube video was the first sponsored listing when he performed a Google search for Al Gore. The fact that someone was paid to have the alleged amateur film promoted was in itself suspicious.[12] In July 2006, an article by Vladimir Socor, a veteran analyst of East European affairs for the Jamestown Foundation, claimed that a report on Transnistria issued by the International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty, "State Sovereignty of Pridnestrovie (PMR) under international law", was a Russian-sponsored attempt at disinformation. A spokesperson for the organization, Megan Stephenson, has denied these charges.[13] Shortly afterwards The Economist published two articles highlighting the ICDISS's lack of a physical presence and its disinclination to provide independent verification of its activities and previous existence.[14] The Economist also reported that prominent academics cited as sources in the ICDISS report on Transdniestria disclaimed any connection with the organization. The Economist noted the Wikipedia entry for ICDISS created as part of the apparent disinformation exercise. In September 2008, Dutch columnist Margriet Oostveen wrote about her experiences ghostwriting letters for the McCain presidential campaign. Her editors at Salon.com asked her for proof that she had ghost- written letters, and she provided sample letters and lists of talking- points that the McCain campaign had provided to her.[15] In December 2008, Russian human rights defender Sergei Kovalev wrote that the Public Chamber of Russia failed to intervene in major human rights violations around the country. He wrote that the government set up the Chamber by the Soviet-era recipes for puppet non-government organizations, GONGOs.[16] [edit] Business In 2001, the Los Angeles Times accused Microsoft of astroturfing when hundreds of similar letters were sent to newspapers voicing disagreement with the United States Department of Justice and its antitrust suit against Microsoft. The letters, prepared by Americans for Technology Leadership, had in some cases been delivered via a mailing list to deceased people or incorrect addresses, where the recipients forwarded them without correction.[17][18][19] In 2002, The Guardian newspaper revealed the philosopher Roger Scruton had offered to place pro-tobacco opinion pieces in major newspapers and magazines in return for a fee =C2=A35500 from Japan Tobacco International.[20] In July 2004, RealNetworks tried to press Apple Inc. to open up their FairPlay DRM for the iPod with the Harmony plug-in. The work-around allows users to purchase songs from RealNetworks' Rhapsody and then convert it for use for the iPod. They also set up an internet petition "Hey Apple! Don't break my iPod" and slashed the prices of its songs to below that of iTunes. Many posters reacted negatively and accused RealNetworks of astroturfing.[21] In March 2006, the Save Our Species Alliance was exposed as a front group created by a timber lobbyist to weaken the Endangered Species Act.[22] Its campaign director is Tim Wigley, the executive director of Pac/West Communications. Wigley was also the campaign director for Project Protect, a front group which spent $2.9 million to help pass President Bush's Healthy Forests legislation, which has been criticized for its pro-industry bias. [7] The Save Our Species Alliance web site portrays itself as a grassroots organization [23], but is criticized by environmentalists for being a front group for wealthy cattle and timber interests which consider federal environmental legislation an impediment to profit. In March 2006 video game manufacturers faced over seventy anti-games bills across the country. Embattled, they established the Video Game Voters Network, =E2=80=9Ca new grassroots political network for gamers=E2= =80=9D which publicly portrayed itself as a populist effort to lobby state and federal legislators against supporting violent video game-related legislation. In April 2007, in an interview on video game news website GameDaily, consumer advocate and founder of the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA), Hal Halpin, stated that "The Videogame Voters Network is very needed and wanted by the industry, but it's supported by the industry, so it's called 'astroturfing', where[as] our organization is grassroots and the difference in the two pieces of terminology is significant when it comes to legislators because they'll look at an astroturf organization as one that's backed by the industry; funded by them, run by them, organized by them." The following day Entertainment Software Association (ESA) spokesperson Caroyln Rauch responded in a written statement, "...calling the VGVN 'astroturf' is not only counterproductive and just not correct, but it also demeans the passion and energy of its members."[24] Working Families for Wal-Mart portrays itself as a grassroots organization, but was started and funded by Wal-Mart.[25] It paid former Atlanta mayor Andrew Young to head the organization. Young created a controversy in his response to a journalist's questions; when asked by a California newspaper about Walmart hurting independent businesses, he said that, "But you see, those are the people who have been overcharging us =E2=80=94 selling us stale bread and bad meat and wilt= ed vegetables... I think they've ripped off our communities. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it's Arabs. Very few black people own these stores"[26] In December 2006, the "All I want for Xmas is a PSP" marketing campaign by Zipatoni and Sony sparked outrage[citation needed] from the gaming community when it was discovered that the fake blog was in fact assembled by a marketing team.[27] (See PlayStation Portable#Controversial advertising campaigns) In August 2007 Comcast Corporation's public relations representatives were accused of astroturfing by posing as fans on internet college team message boards in an effort to spread their negative views about the newly created Big Ten Network.[28][29] Additionally, Comcast created their own marketing campaign "Putting Fans First" on radio and on the web.[30][31] At that time Comcast and the Big Ten Network were involved in acrimonious negotiations. In January 2008 Daniel DiFiore, the customer service manager of social networking site Moli.com was caught posting 'booster' comments under an alias on several web sites, including GetSatisfaction.com, Techcrunch and Digg. [32] [33] [34] In February 2008 Comcast paid individuals to take up seats at an FCC hearing into Comcast's network management practices, including RST packet spoofing using Sandvine. These individuals fell asleep, applauded on cue, and took up so much room that a number of people with anti-Comcast sentiment were shut out. [35] Hands Off The Internet (HOTI) purports to be a campaign for internet users' rights but in fact the site is owned by big telecom companies and is actually a front to push the telecom industry's objections to internet neutrality. [36] In late 2008, in Osaka, Japan, McDonald's acknowledged hiring people to stand in line for a new hamburger release. The part-time workers were given a stipend for the product that were to be included in the store's sales figures. [37] [edit] Fictional examples Government astroturfing, as well as other sneaky tricks including an eleven-day war waged to distract from a sex scandal, are depicted in the film Wag the Dog. The satirical newspaper The Onion had an opinion piece titled "I'd Love This Product Even If I Weren't A Stealth Marketer," which is written as though by a young employee for Pepsi-Cola who is paid to astroturf.[38] In the Christopher Buckley novel Thank You for Smoking, Nick Naylor mentions several astroturf groups, including a "Smokers' Rights" group made up of Hispanic smokers that was called "Fumamos", Spanish for "We smoke". (See also FOREST.)

I'll bet there are a lot of Indians at MIT too. ;-)

muffin

no

was

Back in those days there actually weren't many (continental) Indians. Now they over-run the place.

...Jim Thompson

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muffin

you

to... no

was

Don't you mean "sub-continental"? ;-)

They were all over the place when my father was a prof at UIUC and later when I was a student most TAs were either Indian or Chinese (I had first pick of sections so avoided non-English speaking profs and TAs). Few US born could afford to stick around for grad school.