Automatic power metering - existing products and new functions

My problem relates to automatic power metering (by electric power supplier to private homes) using existing off-the-shelf products. I am currently looking at enhancing existing automatic metering systems (e.g. with "residental gateway" solutions supplied by Echelon or Ericsson) with added functionality and better data security. The problem is interfacing the new equipment with existing equipment, because the existing equipment are of different makes and models, and the installation is done by technicians with very limited engineering skills.

Further, considering addtional future needs (which have not been thought of yet), the way to go seems to be the design of an interface module that can handle all existing equipment and any new equipment to make the design of new equipment independent of varying existing equipment (only the interface protocol needs to be considered).

Further yet, in the case that another company (in the future) has developed new equipment that is useful for us, we would be inhibited if we cannot get the interface module to run with this new third party equipment, so we would rather need a flexible interface. In order to avoid inventing the wheel all over again, my question is:

Does a flexible interface system already exist (for this purpose)?? Can anyone point me in the direction of companies/products?

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Noen
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Generally, when power companies make a change to remote metering, they send the techs out with new meters, already fitted with the necessary equipment. The electromechanical meter movements are so cheap (when purchased in quantities) that it doesn't pay to have a tech fit new equipment to them in the field. They just get scrapped.

Meters generally aren't that easy to open up and modify. Due to tampering concerns, the interface hardware is contained entirely within the meter's sealed glass envelope.

Probably not worth it. The cost to make meters upgradable in the field is prohibitive. There would also be tampering issues. Imagine someone coming up with an uploadable hack to cut recorded power consumption.

Of course, these economics don't hold true for large commercial or industrial customers, where revenue can be substantial. In these cases, metering systems are custom designed (by the utility), assembled from components (which can be upgraded and/or replaced) and are subject to periodic testing and maintenance.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Would this be something added to each home or are you looking at collecting data from a group of homes and forwarding it?

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Dan Hollands

This would be added to each home. Today the meter readings are collected manually. The new equipment I'm talking about is not just for the sole purpose of invoicing power consumption, but also adding functionality such as remote control, burglar alarms, telephony, high speed internet etc. Imagine inside a private home there's a burglar alarm already installed by another company (with known function). The power company has the communications infrastructure that makes it possible to interact with the burglar alarm from a remote location, if only there was an easy way of connecting the two together. This is just one example, and not a particularly good one, but I think you can appreciate why I don't want to reveal too much of my plans to the public. The thing I am interested in is the interface, and if there already is something out there that I can use, it would save a lot of development costs - and time.

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Noen

If you are considering designing your own interface, here's some ideas base on a simple laser pointer shining on a conventional watthour meter disk:

Watt Watcher

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Electric meter reader

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UK Electricity usage monitor

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Here's another concept that will keep over-unity optimists happy:

"The Energy Conservation Circuit is a patented circuit that provides economic savings when applied to existing electrical circuitry supplied by alternating current. The device allows the magnetic field to be altered in such a way which significantly reduces the power consumption necessary to operate a given load, whereby the more the load the greater the savings."

"Savings up to 22% have been measured at peak operating times."

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Mike Monett

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Mike Monett

My KWh meter here in Italy was changed to an electronic version last year and is read out via the mains supply line, where are you living?

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Ban

I miss the old ones. The new ones have an easy-to-read kWhr scale, but they lack the old rotating disk, which allowed you to determine the instantaneous current, the kW-hr consumption rate.

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Winfield Hill

My neighbor has a new demand-reading meter. It's not online, but it does have the opticom readout port. It has a rotating disk and a bunch of electronics.

John

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John Larkin

Disk meters are astonishing. It's difficult to design an electronic meter that will match their performance, and even more difficult to match their cost.

John

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John Larkin

We've just had our meter changed by the electricity co. Rotating disk types in both cases. The 'new' one was older than the old one. The man said that they were so reliable that our meter would go back for calibration and then be cycled back into service with someone else.

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Tony Williams

There's a similar problem with electronic thermometers versus mercury_in_glass for specialised applications. ie, body temperature, photographic processing, etc.

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Tony Williams

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