Amplifier startup problem

Sep 17, 2016 50 Replies

I get that now, but her first post said she was using Figure 2, but then mentioned 100uF capacitors.

Furthermore we don't know what she's driving, though it seems she can drag her "defined ground down to near the negative rail through a loudspeaker."

I've loaded the schematic into LTSpice and when I run the simulation with an 8R load I just see the power supplies meeting the output and lots of distortion!

This sort of circuit simply won't work.

Getting back to the latchup issue, in the real world example of the LM1875 there is no spec for the common mode input range. What happens when one or other inputs gets close to ground?

Mike Perkins Video Solutions Ltd www.videosolutions.ltd.uk

Yes - have a look at the LTSpice model

If a large cap isn't desired, I would go for a bridge. Preferable to making a hard "virtual" ground or split supply. You only need 1/2 the voltage as well.

The zener suggestion is perhaps an alternative.

Mike Perkins Video Solutions Ltd www.videosolutions.ltd.uk

Isn't that the same thing, just from the perspective of a fixed ground, instead of from fixed power rails?

Sylvia.

** Did you really need a sim to tell you that ??

.... Phil

There is no specification for common mode input range. Who knows what happens when both input go to -Vee.

In a more typical use, the -ve input would never go close to -Vee.

Can I suggest you check the behaviour of this device when the both inputs are close to -Vee? Its not unknown for gain to become inverted. The behaviour is certainly not characterised.

Mike Perkins Video Solutions Ltd www.videosolutions.ltd.uk

It simply does, after a fashion. Unconventional, perhaps, but there may be a good reason for all I know.

Bear in mind that the simulation isn't using the LM1875.

Put a 16R load on and set the generator to 1.2V, then look, and it's not too bad, albeit only about 1.6W into 16R.

If you increasing the frequency or increase the 100uF caps you can increase the input (hence the output) a bit.

Dunno.

Cheers

Syd

I would be interested to know its behaviour here, and also its behaviour while the power rails increase - it might explain the clicks.

Unfortunately, I don't have a spare one, and buying another five (they come in packs of five from my supplier) seems excessive just to satisfy an interest.

Sylvia.

It depends, some amps have other pins connecting indirectly to supplies too.

NT

Sylvia, how about using another LM1875 as a rail splitter. (How much current at maximum?)

George H.

If you intend to change the circuit to a more conventional one then I would agree, if not then I would have thought it wise to further investigate any form of common failure.

Mike Perkins Video Solutions Ltd www.videosolutions.ltd.uk

if you have a single supply use figure 2 (page 3) instead, unless you absoulutely need to pass DC to the speaker.

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