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to our prosperity is competition.

Government represents monopoly, complete lack of competition, and a lack of incentive to improvement. It replaces merit, institutionalizes kleptocracy, favoritism. IOW, corruption. There's no way around it.

It's not that complicated. The guy who does it better / faster / fitting needs, wins.

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It doesn't matter if it's wages, rents, or regulatory compliance--all are barriers, all increase the cost and difficulty of employing someone. That drives employment elsewhere, or eliminates it completely.

It's not that hard--more dollars representing the same value makes each dollar worth less. Otherwise, we could just print 16 trillion and be done with it. Let's try it and see how it works...

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ts to our prosperity is competition.

Sure there is. You just elect a left-wing government. They throw out the existing kleptocracy, install a new set of favourites (who haven't had time to develop the expensive tastes that the last lot had acquired, and are enthusiastic about stamping out corruption. Don't leave them them in for too long.

Democracy is all about political organisations competing for the public's favour. You may have lived in the US for too long to be aware of this - in the US political organisation compete for the money to buy TV spots whihc makes the country a plutocracy.

But in the US it's one who has lobbied for the biggest loophole, the best protection from competing imports and the biggest government subsidy. US industry is rather like Lance Armstrong, doing well on stuff nobody else is supposed to be using,

In the US, but not in Germany. How odd.

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Josephkk's opinions on anthropogenic global warming are an instructive example of how the American way ends up influencing gullible idiots.

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Strictly speaking, you've been exporting your pollution, rather than investing in the technology to eliminate it. This may not turn out to have been a far-sighted choice.

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I don't think there is any over-arching plan to do that- the US steel industry has been lobbying for (and getting) very high tariff walls and corporate welfare special treatment at least since the Japanese were allegedly the big threats.

Europe currently produces about double the amount of the steel the US does annually, so I don't think the general level of environmental standards is at fault for the low production numbers and falling numbers of integrated steel mills.

Extremely high wages and transportation costs were blamed when the Japanese were winning- the high transportation costs also a result of high wages in railway jobs vs. third-world wages paid to transport goods by sea. It was more expensive to transport coal from Australia to Japan than to move it a few hundred miles by train within the US.

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Chinese? I really don't see a problem with any of this, the work should go to the people most capable of completing the job. The nationalists here might recall the US turned to Chinese labor to build the transcontinental railroads because the homebrew laborers here were worthless drunken thieving riffraff, mostly Irish. The same is happening now.

American riffraff who think they're entitled to the work simply because of an accident of birth?

our prosperity is competition.

Competition is just like evolution. Critters don't understand evolution, and they don't manage it. It just happens to them, and it works. The good news is that economic competition isn't fatal to the un-selected; they get to try again.

It's ironic that the people most adament in their love of Darwinian evolution tend to want to eliminate economic competition.

Why? Car companies, states, entire countries can compete just like coffee shops can. And they do. Compare the economies of, say, California and Texas. Or Greece and Sweden.

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to our prosperity is competition.

Tell that to the Russians, or the Chinese. Preferably in person, in public.

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John Larkin                  Highland Technology Inc 
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I'd say we're letting it go end of life without replacing it. Since there's more money in kiting real estate, the real-estate-kiters win....

due to environmental regulations. Just not cost

A lot of what happened to steel in America was: during the time that Galbraith's "Modern Industrial State" held sway, they *really* needed to be incrementally upgrading. but Galbraith had people convinced that large monoltihic firms had all the smart people, so whatever they did would be optimal.

I say that; sometimes the only way to "upgrade" something like a steel plant is to bulldoze it and start over. That's a lot what's at play in offshore steel.

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We did that in 2008. They transferred more money to their supporters than ever in the history of man / earth.

Inherent. When the gov't controls everything, everyone petitions the gov't. They have to.

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I recently worked on several projects, outsourced to me from Germany. Funny, I never knew I was Chinese. ;-)

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to our prosperity is competition.

Yes. What Greece, China, Russia, Zimbabwe, Iran, Cuba, and now the US have in common is that government dominates the economy, and everyone's lives. The corruption is inherent with the size of government. Some cultures handle it better than others.

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Dream on. You elected a slightly less right-wing government than you'd had.

They continued with the Keynesian deficit-based pump-priming stimulus that had been put in place under Dubbya. No rational manager of the economy would have done anything else, in the situation.

Sadly, the idiot bankers who'd created the situation were too big to fail, and made a lot of money out of having screwed up. You - of course - didn't blame them, but rather blamed the Democrats (as you always do) and thought that the CRA was at the base of the whole problem, when in fact the CRA-guaranteed loans weren't the cause of the problem at all, which had been generated by fringe banks making fringe loans to fringe borrowers.

But the US government doesn't control everything, or anything like it. You like to claim that it does because it expropriated some share- holders of a bankrupt company - as if the share-holders deserved to be rewarded for tolerating a management structure that had driven the company into bankruptcy in the first place.

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US rates of pay are low by international standards, and your English is better than that of the average Chinese - at present Germans are taught English as their second language at school, rather than Chinese.

Enjoy it while it lasts. And keep quiet about your political attitudes. Being too right-wing is a criminal offense in Germany.

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Interesting collection of examples. I wonder what John means by "dominating the economy"? The mechanics of that "domination" are rather different in each of the countries he lists, though he's probably too ill-informed to realise this.

Since the "domination" is different in each case, it's a little stupid to claim that the - very different - corruptions involved are inherent in the size of the government (whose size and nature vary rather drastically between the countries listed).

This is probably in the running for the status of the most moronic posting we've seen here yet, but John may well surpass himself.

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s to our prosperity is competition.

People who believe that Darwinian evolution shaped our world don't actually love it. It's a brutal, wasteful system, but it works. Economic competition doesn't have to be anything like as brutal and wasteful to be effective, and there's a strong argument for making the more brutal competitive techniques - like shooting your competitors and blowing up their factories - entirely illegal, which necessarily involves a measure of cooperation.

And what do these comparisons tell you? And what do they have to do with the proposition that game-changing innovations aren't actually fostered by competition, though once somebody has perfected a game- changing innovation to the point that it is competitive, competition can then ensure that it takes over the relevant market?

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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ingredients to our prosperity is competition.

An effective tax rate over 50% or, more precisely, government spending that exceeds non-government spending. It means that you have to have pull in Beijing to be successful. It means that tax avoidance and getting subsidies becomes more valuable than creating wealth.

Get a job, if you're such an expert on economics.

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Chinese? I really don't see a problem with any of this, the work should go to the people most capable of completing the job. The nationalists here might recall the US turned to Chinese labor to build the transcontinental railroads because the homebrew laborers here were worthless drunken thieving riffraff, mostly Irish. The same is happening now.

American riffraff who think they're entitled to the work simply because of an accident of birth?

our prosperity is competition.

Except in a few areas, like drug dealing and labor unions, business-competition-based murders and arson are extremely rare.

That businesses, wealth, and people are mobile, and some places are better than others to be productive in.

Pardon me for using "productive" in your presence.

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John Larkin                  Highland Technology Inc 
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Get a brain. Even your insults are getting old, tired and repetitive.

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ents to our prosperity is competition.

Because you've got a law enforcement system at the domestic level, and international agreements backed up by military force at the international level. Both reflect society-wide cooperation. In the US drug-dealing isn't covered by the law, and competition is a distinctly more primitive. US trade unions are comprehensively corrupted by greedy and oppressive employers, and equally beyond legal intervention.

But nothing about the game-changing innovations that we were talking about. You do go in for posting pretentious and irrelevant twaddle.

And pointless, oft-repeated insults. Try to think up something new - with any luck you'll make a hash of it.

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