On a sunny day (Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:55:18 -0700) it happened John Larkin wrote in :
OK, is that thing also capable of displaying real temperatures? I mean if you put a mouse cursor on say the FPGA, will it display '90C', or something? Or is it just relative as the colors show?
Realtime, on the built-in lcd screen, you can read the temperature of the center-screen bulls-eye, or of an averaged region. You can also export an image to the PC and offline read the temperature of every pixel, or plot profiles, or average regions. The only gotcha is that you've got to be careful about emissivity.
Correlation to temperature measured with thermocouples is very good, within 1-2 C usually. We dab things with a black whiteboard marker if we suspect the emissivity is low; that seems to work well. The heatsink in my second image is shiny aluminum, so its indicated temp is way off.
Interestingly, most visually transparent things, like a plastic bag, or glass, or ice/water, are black in the thermal IR. So it's difficult to, say, put a window in a box to maintain air flow and peek internal temps. The thinnest plastic film we could find at the supermarket is about 50% density at these wavelengths. Human body heat patterns are interesting.
John
On a sunny day (Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:22:52 -0700) it happened John Larkin wrote in :
OK, thank you for the elaborate explanation. I just looked up IR camera and found this nice FLIR application on youtube:
OK, I understand (I think).
On TV here (ITV4 UK) are series with IR cameras from a police helicopter (real stuff) tracing running away criminals, they even spotted one hiding in a garbage container, it showed up brighter then normal :-)
Can I interest you in 0402 at 10 watts? Or 0505 at 50 watts?
John
Cool. This is nearby...
He shows that a black plastic garbage bag is nearly transparent at thermal wavelengths; that could come in handy.
John
Ouch! That ought to do it for an impressive meltdown procedure on FR4. Reminds me of a tube in a ceramic socket on phenolic. I was still a kid, blissfully unaware of the limitations of some materials. Transistors were very expensive in Germany so I built most stuff from salvaged tubes, plucked out of radios and TV sets. Well, this thing worked for months. Then one fine day there was fireworks, hissing and smoke. The ceramic socket including tube had fallen through the charred hole that had developed. Now I knew where that faint "amperage smell" was coming from. Luckily the plate connector was up top and the tube fell in, but didn't tip over. Cuz I had "economized" on the power supply and ran straight from 230V mains into a voltage doubler. The fuse was, ahem, home made.
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My first ever job interview, I made the comment that I generally preferred tubes (which I got free) to transistors, because transistors were too easy to blow up. The prig said "that won't do" and didn't hire me. Next interview, I said the same thing and that guy laughed and did hire me. I designed about $100M of stuff for the second guy.
John
Similar things happen to consultants. Sometimes people present a task, then ask whether I am versed in VHDL, Cadence and all that. I often tell them "No, but a chip design wouldn't make sense here, we can do that at lower cost with off-the-shelf parts". Sometimes they walk away. The companies of those who do are usually not heard of much anymore. Some of them keep burning an enormous amount of cash until their VCs turn off the spigot. The sad cases are where I could have really helped them with $50-100K in cost, they decline, keep trying on their own, blow through another few million bucks and then kablouie.
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I had that same experience with Metricon. I had a bog simple, cheap, proven way to do what they needed. They had a complex mess, but said it didn't matter because "silicon is free." Remember Metricon?
John
Self-desoldering?
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On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:26:18 -0700) it happened Joerg wrote in :
In the sixties, when working with these Ampex VR1000 quadruplex video recorders,
I'm beginning to suspect that, in many cases, that (the last sentence) is in fact the whole point of the operation. The high-level technical people may or may not believe in the product/technology being developed, but the executives are just in it for the boondoggle, living high on the hog for as long as the investor money lasts, then moving on to a different project.
Even the investors are not entirely unhappy with this situation -- they're often looking for ways to take a loss without being too obvious about it.
It's just frustrating for the lower-level technical people who probably don't realize what's going on and put a lot of good work into something that just ends up in the dumpster. I once worked for a company where I now firmly believe that this is what was (and may still be) going on.
-- Dave Tweed
Scotch tape or Electrical tape also gets up to 95% emissivity as well. Yes looking inside of a box is a pain. Of course you always have to do sanity checks to validate your test setup.
RayR
Amazing, I never suspected. Could have used that several times.
RayR
Believe it or not, even successful companies can have to much money. I worked at a place where their main product line was quite successful. When it came to new development they never had to make hard decisions, they could always throw money at a problem. As a result a vast software and hardware infrastructure grew to resolve various perceived (often self-inflicted) problems. Combine that with ISO 2000 and such and you came to realize how Kafka came to his story; and how bureaucracies form and survive. The particular causes were many and in a lot of cases not due to overt empire building; that made little difference when people who didn't understand what they were doing organized a project. Of course the opposite also leads to insanity, penny pinching at a microscopic level.
To paraphrase some Greeks, Yogi's, and Buddhists Balance is all, and to be cherished.
RayR
These guys?
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Luckily none of my clients, many of whom are VC-financed, is like that. They all want to make it happen and I am sure most of them will. There is always going to be risk, as in "venture" :-)
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No. They were in Silicon Valley. They started as an RF electric-meter reading company, staffed by a bunch of ham-radio types. The meter they designed was too expensive for any utilities to buy (geez, I only wanted a buck a meter in royalties) so they hopped on the Internet bandwagon and migrated their mesh technology into Ricocet.
The guru was
and the prez, when I was involved, was Bob Dilworth, formerly the head of Zenith Data Systems, the early laptop pioneer.
Burning hulks everywhere.
John
Quote "Ricochet sent its Denver based customers an email at night on March 28th 2008, that service will cease as of March 29th 2008."
Yikes! Talking about customer valuation. Drop the ball and run.
Quote "Overall, Ricochet is the only consumer priced, mass market, high speed, wireless data network that enables you to send unlimited data."
ROFL! I can just picture what'll happen when everyone is online and you want to download that 4MB PDF datasheet.
Pretty sad. This repeater technology has a hard time. Companies try to push it via protocols such as Zigbee but in order to make that work customers usually can't start out small, you have to have critical mass. Data volumes are low and when a node at a critical juncture goes down a whole chunk of the network becomes orphaned.
In ham radio packet transmission is rather successful and very useful in emergencies. But that's because ham groups can mobilize a large pool of motivated volunteers very fast and data volumes are low.
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Oops, sorry, I spelled the name wrong, as usual. Metricom, not Metricon.
Another example of mass insanity.
John
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