Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send millions of messages by charging for each one sent, or make senders authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail infrastructure linking electronic authentication with real-world identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland (Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a government-approved service provider. The service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

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If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are talking up to $0.75USD. If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other countries. I would certainly support it, and want to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources. I can see Germans being forced into using it. Then start up email services all over the world will be offering cheaper alternatives. Can you imagine it?

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Yes, even 1 cent per email would stop virtually all the spam. Just need to find a way of actually charging the originator.

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Maybe they haven't heard of yahoo mail or gmail, I get almost no spam from either of these. Of course, if it was a widely advertised email address, this might be a different story.

I would rather have the spam, than have any government regulating my email in any way, or charging for sending it.

Imagine living in Germany and having that deadshit government taking my tax money and giving it to hopeless deadshit socialist countries like Greece, etc in un-repayable loans :(

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kreed

Join a few groups and learn. Wanna spam thousands, just create a yahoo identity and spam, spam, spam, spam.

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I still get a lot of spam to the yahoo address that I used to use in usenet.

Get much less to the gmail address that I now use after Horry pointed out how much better it is at spam handling.

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It is indeed. I get almost no spam to my other yahoo address, just the stuff from places I have dealt with using it like godaddy.

Me too, particularly when gmail does a very decent job for free.

Careful, or it will be off to the concentration camp for you, boy.

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Its quite possible that that is in our futures, especially in the USA.

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kreed

kreed wrote

Nope, they've gone out of fashion now.

Nope, Obummer isnt even sending anyone else to Gitmo anymore.

He wont even be sending Gadaffi, you watch.

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Rod Speed

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Encrypted so that it can't be intercepted by whom...

Spam is a big problem but it isn't so big that it needs a pay-to-send Government-run scheme to avoid it. Anybody with half a brain will realise that this isn't going to work since nobody else in the world uses Deutschland email, so normal email will be required anyway.

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt at Government snooping on who's communicating with whom (and possibly even what they're communicating about)?

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That was the first thing I thought it was. As people quite rightly won't stand for internet censorship, or restrictions the scumbags might try and do it in socially acceptable "pieces", this being one of them.

The other nasty that keeps popping up in the news is this "cyber bullying" - IE: another smokescreen to justify curbing freedom of speech and opinion, and to possibly justify censoring the net, or restricting access.

Also the laughable de(viate)-mail is a good way to rip more tax money out of people, (which will just be flushed away by the gov with little public benefit as always).

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kreed

Thomas K wrote

By anyone.

They are clearly suggesting that others adopt the same approach.

Only the mindlessly paranoid.

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Rod Speed

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Google "Hash cash" - a bad name for a workable concept.

Charging for each e-mail doesn't work because most spam is sent by zombies.

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David Eather

Using port 25. All data connections to SMTP servers come from IP addresses and can tracked.

The problem is that it's like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email and maybe lower general fees, it would have been accepted just like SMS is charged separately for mobiles.

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I was saying that the owner of the zombie did not intend to send the spam - in all cases other than gross negligence it would be unfair to charge them for the spam (how many people have never had a computer virus?)

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David Eather

That's no excuse. Look at the people being hit with mobile phone bills and ISP bills when they go over their limits.

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If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email, a new protocol would have been invented which you don't have to pay for.

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Why? Because governments don't do that sort of thing?

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The ministry's reasoning for snooping was, as usual, potential terrorist threats. A terrorist could use BlackBerry email and messaging services to coordinate and plot attacks as information exchanged on these channels couldn't be monitored at the time.

After reinstating services the government ordered RIM to come up with something that would give intelligence agencies complete access to all services offered on its handsets by October. This would include RIM being forced to hand over the encryption keys and codes of its corporate mail and messaging services. The extension to January 2011 was given after RIM pushed for a timeframe of 23 weeks in August, while it worked out how to cooperate without breaching data protection laws.

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Thomas K wrote

Because its only the mindlessly paranoid that 'think' like that.

Not like that they dont, because they dont need to do it like that.

You dont SERIOUSLY believe that no govt is doing anything about checking for terrorists communicating right now do you ?

They dont need that sort of hare brained scheme to snoop as much as they like.

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Just because those fools couldnt work out how to snoop at the time proves nothing.

Just because those fools couldnt work out how to snoop at the time proves nothing.

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Terrorist threats that are largely staged by governments (or allowed to happen) in order to justify this sort or rubbish for other reasons, such as stripping away people's rights.

Both parties do it. Look at Obama, except for a crock of left wing bullshit thrown in it is just GWB's 3rd term in office.

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kreed

yes - when *they* use it and go over their limits. If your car is stolen and used in a robbery you aren't an accessory.

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