Computer room static blowing server power supplies

A raised floor server room with 6 servers, fiber optic patch panels, large control system cabinets and large UPS system, has been recently been plagued by computer power supply failures. The supplies fail when apparently many tens of thousands of volts jump from inside the PS around the switching regulators to the chassis of the supply taking out all the components. This has happened to 8 supplies so far. A visible blue flash has been witnessed several times by pewrsons in the room.

The servers so far affected are all sitting on the raised computer center floor. What ususally happens seems to be when a person enters the 12x20ft room or gets near a server a large snap is heard and the server is on the backup redundant PS, if it has not already failed.

We have been adding grounding bonding from all computer case to the bldg steel, raised floor structure, etc to try to stop this. Its still happening. The computers are various brands and varoious ages, from 1 week old to 5 years old. The probelm began occuring 2 months ago. The data center was built 12 years ago.

We are at a loss to figure out how the charge is building up on the inside of the power supplies. I am thinking about the common power source, via the power cords Hot, Neutral and Ground conductor.

The green wire should be bonded to the PC case. Apparently the PS regulator board floats above chassis potential. Apparently a large potential differnce is building. It jumps a 1 inch gap to the chassis. Burn marks from repeated arc overs are evindent (the arc that makes it fail is not the 1st time it occurs!)

The Hot and Nuetral..how could a charge be coming in on these conductors and getting past the MOVs to build a potential on the boards.

Any ideas would be appreciated. TJS

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It sounds like your UPS's should take care of everything. I woulds have the UPS's checked out. I would have building electricians check things out. I would have installed whole circuit transient protection at the breaker box feeding the room.

greg

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Put a humidifier inside the room, the air is too dry and static electricity builds up.

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Is ground still connected to good old earth? You'll have to check to be sure. Suppose the metal of the floor and installation has been grounded carefully but you'll have to check this too. An open ground connection may be the cause of you problems. Especially an open connection that is closed again by someone entering the room.

On all PCs and servers I know, the secondary of the power supply has been connected to the enclosure which in turn is grounded. So I assume the spark jumps from the primary of the power supply the the chassis. Looks like neutral and hot are floating which means that the neutral has not been connected to ground, at least not properly. (Don't know where neutral should be grounded in your place.)

There are other possibillities. Did someone install a badly insulated neon sign near you? Some other renovation maybe? Something else I can't even imagine but not very likely. I'm pretty sure something is not grounded properly anymore, but what?

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A near identical situation was cured simply by spraying the carpet tiles in the computer room and access corridor, with anti static solution. john

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My technicians have been testing the grounds to the steel and they are intact. We have a new fiber pull coming into the room just today via and existing conduit. The failures have been occuring for almost 2 months but much more frequently these last 2 weeks.

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I would have the electrical system inspected. The power transformer for the building may not be properly grounded. The ground rod or wiring may be damaged, leaving the transformer floating above ground.

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An update; We are investigating "zinc whiskers" phenomina as a possible cause. The zinc filaments are produced from the plywood core floor panels supported by the zinc electrocoted support structure. When floor panels are lifted or disturbed the conductive dust can get into the power supply and lead to shorts between the modern closely spaced SMT devices. See here for a white paper

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The failures/arcs in our supplies have all arced from the 120vac chopper regulator collector to the PS case. If the zinc whisker problem is our case then the blue flash is just a 120/170p-p vac arc to ground, and not a static discharge.

We are looking at replacing our floor tiles with the modern ultra low static floor tiles.

I'm a little skeptical that this is the problem, but it is true that 2 months ago we pulled floor tiles to look for fiber conduits and that about the time the problems began

TJS

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Bennett Price

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:59:59 GMT, "TJS" put finger to keyboard and composed:

What are the chances of zinc whiskers causing *exactly* the same fault in *8* PSUs?

- Franc Zabkar

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I'm skeptical about zinc whiskers and the white paper does come from a cleaning service company, enough said. But still it is a consideration

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AC is from overhead

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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:05:11 -0400, "T" put finger to keyboard and composed:

I wonder why the arc jumps a 1" gap between the chopper and the chassis. Why not the much smaller (?) gap on the underside of the PCB?

- Franc Zabkar

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Identical or different?

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GregS

I think static is highly unlikely as the cause here. My guess would be overvoltage on the line, transients, or inadequate cooling.

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James Sweet

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:41:57 -0400, T wrote: ...

Call an exorcist. ;-)

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Well, skeptical is good, but usually when troubleshooting, the first question is, "What changed?"

This is a no-brainer. Start looking through your contract with the floor installer, to see if you can have him eat the cost of replacing the killer tile.

Good Luck! Rich

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Pretty good, considering that the tiles are the only thing that changed.

I probably wouldn't say, "zinc whiskers", but I'm pretty sure that, except for galvanizing garbage cans, zinc is AWFUL! It gets all over everything. I once worked at a place where they had to scrap a $100,000.00 (or so) Ultra-High-Vacuum bell jar because someone had installed brass connectors - the zinc outgassed, and contaminated the whole thing.

Maybe you could leach the zinc out of your tile by washing it down with muriatic acid. ;-) [1]

I've also seen an installation where a bunch of boxes running off 277V lighting power started arcing, and the only conductive thing in the room was the dust from the desert setting, which could very well have been conductive - it was only about 100 miles from Great Salt Lake. We fixed it by putting furnace filters on top of all of the boxes, which the idiot designer had put all of the intake air vents on the top of. =:-O

It was a pretty sweet TDY[2], though - $1000.00/week plus per diem plus expenses plus airplane ticket plus car rental. ;-)

Good Luck! Rich [1] That's a joke, by the way. If you do use muriatic acid on zinc, be sure that you're in a very very well-ventilated place, because it makes hydrogen gas. But then, you could use the zinc chloride for sunscreen; just mix it with yogurt. ;-) [2] Temporary DutY

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