I always wanted to know if there was some corruption with job recruiters..
For some email fun, I offered $300 to a job recruiter to set up an interview with the employer. (I mentioned I'll only present a resume during an interview due to privacy and security concerns.)
I got declined.
I guess my offer wasn't high enough... Should I email back with a higher offer?? Hee hee... :P
I wonder how much money those recruiters charge companies??
D from BC myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com British Columbia Canada
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Corruption? Perhaps. Some certainly seem that way, but they're just incompetent, IMO. I worked with one company that made me feel dirty every time I left their offices. The idiots still call, even though I've told them over and over that I'm no longer in the market. They were the dumbest lot I've ever come across and slimier than used car salesmen.
Don't be silly. Why would he risk his reputation with the hiring company (his customer) for chump change.
I had privacy concerns with one company too. They wanted all of my private information, including SSN, on first email contact. Before even a phone call introducing themselves, or any indication of what the job entailed. That said, there shouldn't be any security concerns. They don't need any important information until after you've interviewed and they've decided to hire.
I declined before they had a chance.
No. You can't afford it.
The recruiter that placed me got 40% of my annual salary[*]. He has his rates posted on his web site. I looked at them all. Why shouldn't I know everything I can about the recruiter too?
[*] Even though he was working for my CPOE, he had an incentive to get the highest salary he could. He had to work a bit, but I ended up with what I was asking.
Or try another recruiter -- sooner or later I'm sure you'll find one that bites. :-)
Often a lot -- some flat fee plus some percentage of the guy's salary for six months or somesuch.
If you hire temps from temp agencies you're typically contractually obligated to pay a non-negligible chunk-o-change if you decide you want to hire the employee permanently as well. Of course, if you can get the temp to keep their mouths shut, you can weasel out of this by just hiring them directly and not telling the temp agency... I once worked at a company that did this for a receptionist position. (Not surprisingly, in general this company don't feel that contracts meant all that much if they became difficult to meet...)
Yikes!... They're like pimps.. I'll certainly try to bypass a recruiter ... Do you know if recruiters make companies sign a contract so they can't hire direct?
D from BC myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com British Columbia Canada
No, like Realtors. They work on a commission, paid by one side.
Why do you care what the company pays? If they're using a recruiter they already have them (and you) in the budget. You may want to look on your own too (I didn't), but there is no reason to avoid them or go around them. Indeed, going around them can get you into trouble and lose the job. I had one such issue when I accidentally authorized two head hunters to submit me for one position (they didn't tell me who the hiring company was - last time I made that mistake). There are a lot of pitfalls in this area. Avoiding recruiters isn't smart though. A good one does a lot of work for you (and of course, the hiring manager).
Why would a company sign such an agreement? They will sign an agreement that says they get paid if they're the one who introduces you to them. It really is more like a contract with a Realtor, except the buyer pays the commissions. ;-)
Assuming one is not working with a headhunter but just notices one of their recruitment ads on a public web page, what's the harm in going around the headhunter if you can figure out what the job really is?
It seems there's plenty to gain (e.g., rather than the company paying the headhunter, they'll instead pay your moving expenses!), and everything is still on the "up and up" since you just made use of publically available information?
Out of curiosity, what type of work are you doing these days, Keith?
Unlikely, as recruitment companies are just (usually useless) resume sorters, they have no say or influence in you getting the job. Although some of the s**te I've had them pass on the me, you do have to wonder sometimes...
No kidding.
$300 is chump change to them.
In Australia at least it's typically around 20-30% of your first years salary for electronics jobs. At least an order of magnitude higher than what their "service" is actually worth (yes, I'm being generous here). Usually there is a clause that they don't get paid if you don't stay at least 3 months or whatever.
Well, as the other responder said, it's in the company's budget. If they hire you direct, they probably won't pay YOU any more, just pocket the recruiter's fee. It's really the company paying for the recruiter, for the company it's just "a const of doing business."
There may well be that agreement between them. Before going on an interview for a contracting company, I had to sign a statement that I wouldn't accept employment direct from the company they were sending me to for six months after the interview.
If you've talked to a head hunter who is also working for the company there is a conflict. The company isn't likely to hire you because they're in an uncertain position.
That may happen, but it's rare. Companies who are really looking for people know they're going to have to pay relocation and a head hunter. My CPOE certainly did, as well as everyone I interviewed with. Of course, I paid my own relocation when I did contract work for a year, but the head hunter still got paid (via my contract rate).
Circuit design. Mostly analog so far but I was hired for FPGA skills. Why do you ask?
One company (the sleazy one) wanted a year. I didn't sign anything with most of them. I've never met the head hunter who placed me, nor the one who came in second and third. ;-) That one (the one who found 2-1/2 hits) was one of the good ones!
That works in a lot of cases, but there are anal (or just BIG) companies who will refuse to deal with people direct.
There can be plenty to gain, but if you *really* like a company and want to work there then I wouldn't take chances by trying to avoid the head hunter who is often the authorised recruitment agency. BTW, head hunters are usually easier to impress then a (technical) potential employee, so you can often get them to "talk you up" before you get there for the interview (that's part of their job after all), and that can help sometimes.
No such thing as "on the up and up" in the recruitment game, they'll screw you and anyone else to get their commission, if you can screw them by all means do it!
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Some are, though they almost always have an HR department at take resumes. Many do *not* deal with contractors directly, though. For tax reasons they keep them at an arm's length.
They also know the people who make the decisions. The recruiter who placed me grew up with the owner of the company. ;-)
Complete nonsense. If you screw them they *will* screw you, and for good reason.
There's a different game going on, too: When recruiters don't have much work for them to do, they pretend to be busy, making it look like they're active, by making up (cutting and pasting) job listings that don't even exist. They do sometimes file away the resumes and tips they get for use in future real jobs, but the real purpose of this game is to make it look like they're an active recruiter.
There are a number of companies that have their HR department do the same thing, or they are required to list a job when really the candidate for the job is already chosen. Layer the recruiters on top of the HR departments and in some specific fields, it's very likely that 90% of the job listings you see aren't actually real open jobs.
Aha! I've suspected this too...Bogus job postings by recruiters. I'm trying to figure out a nice prank to prove it. (I dunno.. Maybe I just ask the recruiter for proof?)
btw..after a little net searching, I did find a nearly identical job posting by another recruiting company. But that's still inconclusive.
D from BC myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com British Columbia Canada
Mostly curious about what sorts of engineering jobs are available at the moment, given the overall not-so-hot state of the economy.
I have no plans to leave my CPOE in the foreseeable future, although we're a small enough company that it's not 100% certain we'll be around in 5 years... and most of our contracts are with the government anyway, which bodes well.
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I keep getting calls, though I've pulled my resume and tell those who do call that I'm no longer looking.
I now work for a small company too, with ~100 employees (two circuit designers, a component/layout engineer, mechanical engineer, and four programmers). The business should be good (seems to be a good niche), but who knows?
I hope "government" DOD. My bet is that big military projects are going to be pretty lean for a while. $2B destroyers (my last job) may be put on hold for a while.
(Cough) Well, um, yeah, in our case the government contracts are for the DOD. Some of them are for (small pieces of) very-long-term projects that have been around since the early days of the cold war, and they have had numerous ups and downs in funding, though. We do have a significant upcoming commercial contract that -- being a bit vague here -- is "wireless designs for very large entertainment venues," and we've been told by the customer that even in economic downturns there isn't a huge drop in people going to, e.g., pro-football games, seeing Broadway (well, maybe slightly-off-Broadway?) shows, etc.
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