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4G IS HERE: Telstraís 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nationís largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade its Next G
mobile network in central business districts
around the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of 2011,
introducing the í4Gí or fourth
generation marketing term into the Australian market as it is doing so.

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If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise that the
amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even in high
density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G )

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being able to use
more spectrum)
- It can jump to different spectrum bands Ďinstantlyí, which is what allows 4G
to download so much faster
- It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is, it is able to deliver much
more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency )
- It uses topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency then 3G (this is
already evident by Verizonís
deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

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Re: NBN verses 4G. Is there a contest?

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Over to you Roddles, debunking time. Or to put it another way, time for pork
with a hole in it.

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mobile network in central business districts
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high density areas. In fact its even in the
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to download so much faster
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is already evident by Verizonís
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There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high speed
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It will Never replace existing Broadband as a Primary contender.

Just like Solar and Wind Power Generator. It's nice to have
but will never replace anything.


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In five years time will you still say that?

Like IBM and the first computers I think history will tell it
differently.

You can't stop trechnology.

No one saw thwe internet comming and no one knows where the future will
be.

If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

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http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

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Yep.


Nothing like, actually.

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Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

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Yes, but even someone as stupid as you will eventually notice that the
wireless bases just happened to be connected by fiber optic and that
you will never be able to deliver hundreds of TV channels via wireless.

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Some did, actually.

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Wrong, as always. We know that there just isnt enough bandwith with wireless
alone.

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He never ever said anything like that either, fool.

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Having fun thrashing that straw man, child ?



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Wireless Broadband is for Yuppies with Phones or Use Laptops on a Bus.
So yes, I will still say that in 5 Years




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It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb, instantly,
cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

*If* there is a case for FTTP then there is a case *first* wireless,
then FTTP. The cost/benefit is massively in favour of wireless and in no
way does it exclude doing FTTP later.

The real problem to be solved is how to dismiss this idiot Labor
government that is wasting $49.5b of our money.

Actually, if Telstra employs the $11b (ROTFL) to implement LTE, then you
can't truly say it is "wasted", can you?

Labor idiots.

Re: NBN verses 4G. Is there a contest?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:33:09 +1100, B J Foster

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4G Bases will still need a optic fibre connections and its speed will
be determined by distance and will only be in major centres
While handy for those that can access it, it won't replace the need
for the NBN. It will compete with the need for a landline in the
Cities or major regional centres. These areas though are where it's
economic for Telstra to provide landline, though outskirts of these
centres it becomes less profitable
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Re: NBN verses 4G. Is there a contest?
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Really?

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Nope.


That is Telstra's choice.

The guvmint's choice is *also* to provide broadband in major centre
where there are ample providers already. Why? Labor idiots.

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What is the need for the NBN?

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How does a *need* compete?

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Have you idiots any idea how big this country is?
Try to venture a little west of Paramatta, Penrith will do to start with.

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High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR 145),declared Wood s
election to be invalid, as he was not an Australian citizen at the time of his
election.

Even the Muzzies are smarter than you

Re: NBN verses 4G. Is there a contest?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:56:25 +1100, B J Foster

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Yes really

Yep

The existin copperwire is obsolete and worn out. Simply needs
replacing and that's going to be with optic fibre. If it is not
Australias landlines will go the way of the Dodo.
Both Labor anf Liberal are going ahead with the NBN

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The coperwire landline is ancient and aging. Fibre is cheaper to
replace than copperwire and is capable of doing more in the way of
Telecomunications than Copperwire. Australia has determined it is in
the National inerest to replace it at a cost of at least $43 Billion.

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What is the result of zero landline in Australia?
Wireless base Stations will still need Fibre connections and each 4g
station will have to be at least 30 kilometre radius (more in
"blackspots")

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I live in Campbelltown the Copperwire is so pathetic, higher speed
broadband was a platform Russell Mathews MP for Macarthur was voted in
on

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The pot calling kettle black

Petzl
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Nope.





Another bare faced lie. Its how most of us get our broadband right now.

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Another bare faced lie.

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Nope, not once the voters pull the plug on Labor.

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Another bare faced lie.

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Another bare faced lie.

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NBN.

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Another bare faced lie.

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Another bare faced lie.

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Pity about the price.

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Australia never got any say on that, liar.

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Thats never gunna happen.

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That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.

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Obvious lie. Exist at most.

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Another bare faced lie.

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voted in on

Another bare faced lie.



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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:26:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"

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This was known about on last re-election of Gillard Labor
However it is the advisors for Telecomunication that the Government is
acting for

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Indeed the Government is renewing it

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Googled it actually
http://www.wimax.com/wimax-technologies-standards/what-is-the-range-of-wimax
But your opinion counts

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Petzl
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Which barely scraped in and only survives because of a few
'independants' that arent even labor, let alone gillard labor.

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Another bare faced lie. There was no advisors for Telecoms that were stupid
enough to go for FTTP when no one was stupid enough to tend for the dud's FTTN.

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Nope. They wont be allowed to rip up the copper network, you watch.

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Thats wimax, not 4G.

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...

Perhaps if you explain how much bandwidth or customers  are lost
through relaying/retransmission in a wireless-only network you could
get some traction.

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He's right.





You cant even bullshit...

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Nope.




Nope, not even possible with the current federal parliament.

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landlines will go the way of the Dodo.

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You dont know what the coalition will do, fuckwit.

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NBN.

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Pity about the cost of doing 4G.

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was a platform Russell Mathews MP for
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Labor.


Not next election it wont be.



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Yes.


Nope.


Wrong. It will eventually be everywhere.

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Nope, it will mostly be used by those who need the
portability and those who dont use the net much.

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Utterly mangled all over again.



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yes, I will still say that in 5 Years

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Nothing even remotely resembling anything like instantly or an entire suburb
either.

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Another pig ignorant lie. You still need the bases and the antennas fool.

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Nope, because wireless is almost universal now where there is any population at
all.

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Pity about the bandwidth that nothing can be done about.

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Wireless is already done, fool.

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that is wasting $49.5b of our money.

That last is a lie.

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They aint gunna spend anything like that on it and wont be getting the $11B
either when the ACCC kills it.

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It is if no one much uses it and they mostly use the NBN and the current
broadband instead.



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and give everyone absolutely crappy service. Wireless is shared badwidth.

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Fine, wait 20 years, get crappy guvmint service and pay a large fortune
(through the tax system). Labor idiots.

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