this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can answer... A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???
Guess it depends where they keep that info. I'd guess in the car's computer.
Easiest way: two years before you want to sell the car, Drive the car to the dealer, then when nobody's watching, apply the HV power supply from your underdash neons to the computer for a second. Now tell them to replace the computer under warranty.
A little harder: go to a junkyard, find a Lexus with low mileage, buy the computer.
A little harder yet: Buy the service manual for the car computer, see if there's a setup option for setting the mileage.
A little harder yet: Open up the computer, disassemble the rom to find out where they keep the mileage.
Use an oscillator to roll it over?
If youre looking for me/us to tell you how to fiddle odometers youre out of luck.
NT
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:22:43 -0700, Goldenshuttle Has Frothed:
Not out of the question I guess for some industrious bloke to figure out how to send the OBDC signals simulating whatever it needed to calculate speed and milage but at a vastly increased rate as to roll the miles over rather than roll them back.
-- Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004 COOSN-266-06-25794
You don't have to look to far to find 'specialists' who can reset these electronic devices. Any safeguards the factory builds in can soon be overcome with the knowledge and determination.
I'm constantly amazed you guys in the US don't set any store on the service history of a car. I keep all the receipts for work done on my car
- I have to for my accountant. But stick them all in a folder after he's finished with them. The service book is kept too and the dealer stamps it and records the mileage. In the UK once a car is over 3 years old, it has an annual MOT - and the milage is recorded then. So keeping those is yet another check on the mileage. With computerised records it's also possible to get the history of the car from a dealer - if it's been serviced there. Of course all these *could* be forged, but the effort wouldn't be worth it.
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*Rehab is for quitters.
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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With the right 'diagostic tool' you can manipulate most of the info held in the computer.
Graham
Diebold has proven that!
congrats to everyone who helped another criminal clock cars.
NT
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 05:08:09 -0700, meow2222 Has Frothed:
Thanks.
-- Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004 COOSN-266-06-25794
You're suggesting the average crook isnt smart enough to think of going to a junkyard, or ebay searching for "Lexus speedometer", or googling for "Speedometer Repair", or finding a hacker.
I think you owe the crook community an apology :)
WHat made you think its been changed? The sticker in door saying oil was changed at 175,000 miles and its due back at 178,000? ;)
When i worked at used car dealer back a few lifetimes ago, i watched the "flipper" come in at night a turn a few clean cars into low mileage cream puffs.
Bob
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Those darn computers and databases are making flipping odometers kinda pointless. Every time you take the car to an oil-change place or the dealer they log the mileage into their computer. Worse yet are those cars with looong warranty periods or free maintenance where the dealer keeps track of the mileage. It looks mighty suspicious when a car has racked up 28,000 miles a year for the first few years of the warranty, then shows up for sale afterwards with much less than the expected miles.
Soon cars will have Internet connections and the flipper can sit at home and turn back speedometers in his pyjamas.
Like they don't already know how?
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Not to worry, I doubt the original poster can manage it even if you gave step by step directions...
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Hopefully, your next SUV will have been rolled back from 200K to 30K, Meaty.
OK thanks guys, I am the original poster of this subject...I am not (another crook) as one of you posted...U shud watch Ur tung dude....I don bother whatever U assume, but U may end up with ur teeth on the ground if U mess up with words !!....Anyhow, I know how 2 reduce the reading on digital ODO, I just needed 2 know how many others knew....indeed some of U touched the real thing....it was pleasure meeting U all...God bless
Goldenshuttle .....
Threats on Usenet! Ooohhh, how scary.
BTW, the word is you not u.
Hi...
Also the ashtray, wear around the radio controls, glove box release, driver's side carpeting... there's lots :)
Take care.
Ken
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