people and their television

The same reason that people like you use Google Groups. They don't know any better.

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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell ha escrito:

Believe it or not, not all the ISP=B4s outside USA supply direct access to newsgroups, because they consider that setting up a newsgroup service is a waste of time and money, so the only way for those persons which don=B4t have a newsgroup server readily available is to access the USENET via Google Groups. I don=B4t see nor I understand what=B4s the problem with some USENET users who are always bashing out Google Newsgroups. Internet is constantly evolving, and USENET isn=B4t the exception. It=B4s up to you to accept it.

Believe it or not, not all the ISP´s outside USA supply direct access to newsgroups, because they consider that setting up a newsgroup service is a waste of time and money, so the only way for those persons which don´t have a newsgroup server readily available is to access the USENET via Google Groups. I don´t see nor I understand what´s the problem with some USENET users who are always bashing out Google Newsgroups. Internet is constantly evolving, and USENET isn´t the exception. It´s up to you to accept it.

Well, it is a frequency problem ... MANY inane and inappropriate posts arrive via Google Newsgroups.

If 8 out of 10 white dogs that you have encountered have bitten your ankle, how would you feel about white dogs?

: Believe it or not, not all the ISP´s outside USA supply direct access to newsgroups, because they consider that setting up a newsgroup service is a waste of time and money, so the only way for those persons which don´t have a newsgroup server readily available is to access the USENET via Google Groups. I don´t see nor I understand what´s the problem with some USENET users who are always bashing out Google Newsgroups. Internet is constantly evolving, and USENET isn´t the exception. It´s up to you to accept it.

How do they get binary groups?

No, no more than I have to accept any other bad things I encounter. There are dozens, maybe hundreds of free Usenet servers available, worldwide. In fact there are some not available to the US. Most messages posted from Google are rude, ignorant or just a complete waste of time. Most of the spam on newsgroups that I see is posted through Google because the morons don't realize their IP address is hidden in the headers. I had one idiot complaining that I was exposing his email address when I replied, and he wouldn't believe that it is the norm, outside of Google. I have had some moron stalking me, via Google and free email accounts for several years. He has made threatening phone calls as well.

I am brushing up on my C++ programming to see if I can fix some bugs in a proxy news filter program to download, and examine all the newsgroups I read, then delete anything from certain IP address blocks. it will become a local news server for my needs, available to any computer on my network.

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Homer J Simpson ha escrito:

No access to binary groups. As simple as that :-(

Charles Schuler ha escrito:

e,

OK, I see your point. But also, you can get robbed as soon as you hit the street, and because of that you won=B4t lock yourself inside your home ;-) The point here is not if Google Groups is a good idea or not, but an educational one. If someone doesn=B4t make an appropiate use of them, it=B4s a cultural one.

Charles Schuler ha escrito:

OK, I see your point. But also, you can get robbed as soon as you hit the street, and because of that you won´t lock yourself inside your home ;-) The point here is not if Google Groups is a good idea or not, but an educational one.

Sorry, but that lost me. Are you implying that readers of newsgroups need to be better informed and should quit bitching about annoyances?

them, it´s a cultural one.

Again, I am clueless as to what your point is. No acrimony here, by the way. You made a point about access for others via Google and I simply tried to point out the source of irriation for many of us. I am open to other cultures since I fully realize that mine is shaky.

No big deal ... we all have deal with life or cash out!

Michael A. Terrell ha escrito:

Ok, I would like to know more about these servers. I have tested some of them in the past but I often found them too slow to be useful. Sometimes they didn=B4t have this newsgroup listed, for instance.

I used to visit this website

to get some free servers, and usually the outcome was: A) I could read everything but I couldn=B4t not make a post because my IP was rejected by the server, or B) The server was too slow that sometimes it lasted a full week without updating, or the discussion threads loaded incomplete.

Just remember that not all users are like that. You had bad luck and you are right to be complaining, but I think human stupidity isn=B4t a exclusive characteristic of any access mean to internet, instead it=B4s comes with the user. Moderated discussion forums are usually frequented by morons too, but that doesn=B4t make these forums useless.

Good luck with the programming!

Charles Schuler ha escrito:

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I see that what I wrote wasn=B4t quite clearly understandable. As you probably noted by now English is not my native language. The point I tried to make was this: Google Groups is just a means of access to USENET. The use (or abuse) of it doesn=B4t make it necessarily good or bad in itself, at least I believe that. Of course it should be improved, and I think that this has the potential to be a great way to make USENET more accesible.

Also I just wanted to point that some posters like myself doesn=B4t have another way to access USENET if not through Google Groups, and that doesn=B4t make us morons, idiots or retarded. It=B4s simply a matter of availability, and for those of us who consider USENET groups useful but we don=B4t have a good nntp server available, Google Groups is the best we have at hand.

: Also I just wanted to point that some posters like myself doesn´t have another way to access USENET if not through Google Groups, and that doesn´t make us morons, idiots or retarded. It´s simply a matter of availability, and for those of us who consider USENET groups useful but we don´t have a good nntp server available, Google Groups is the best we have at hand.

It's certainly better than AOL.

: Ok, I would like to know more about these servers. I have tested some of them in the past but I often found them too slow to be useful. Sometimes they didn´t have this newsgroup listed, for instance.

Try a free read only server and use Google to post or post via email.

There are lots of NNTP services out there and very reasonably priced. In fact, some are even free as in the case of the one I use.

I regularly find people who post via Google Groups and don't even know that they can get USENET through their ISP.

Regards Lee in Toronto

I am 1000000 % sure that there is no nntp server available through my ISP. There are just two ISP=B4s in my country which have nntp servers available to their customers, and these ISP=B4s aren=B4t broadband. I won=B4t switch back from broadband to dialup because of that, nor I see why I would want to pay for nntp access if I can get what I want using Google Groups.

news:alt.free.nesservers

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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net:

Thanks for the info, you win :-) I went there and found this free server: nntp.aioe.org

It appears to be working fine. I´m typing this using a news reader called "Xnews" which I just downloaded... if anyone happens to know about a better one, i´m all ears.

Then why don't you set up an account (free) with

You don't have to change ISP's for this. Regards Lee

Lee wrote in news:emngsp$v1s$2 @registered.motzarella.org:

Well, actually i´m trying a different approach. You can see an earlier post in this thread by Michael Terrel where it send me to a different group named news:alt.free.newsservers I went there and found a working free nntp server. I downloaded a copy of Xnews (a free newsgroup reader) and now I´m all set.

In any case, thanks for your suggestion.

Hi!

Hmm...they seem content to hide from me. I am fortunate enough that my ISP still *does* provide a real news server to its subscribers. I hear that plenty do not, and of those that do, many do not offer access to binary groups. (Mine does, at least to the one I visit, but posts are extremely short lived.)

Maybe that is why. Hmmm, again.

However, sometimes, and possibly due to the limitations above with regard to finding other freely accessible news servers, Google Groups is my only option when I'm away from home.

Now, I understand that some people might not like my posts or what I have to say, which is OK. They certainly have the authority to make that decision. But I really disagree with those who block everything coming from Google Groups, because they may never see a question I asked or an opportunity to help. It's their loss, I guess.

For that one reason, and because a lot of people are having to turn to Google Groups, I would urge you to *not* block posters from there. Setting up some filtering logic in your software to get most of the bozos and garbage would be more complicated, but it might be time well spent. :-)

Of course, that's just my opinion on the matter.

William