I was given the Motorola transceivers visible here.
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Anyone concerned about the acquisition can email me, peter at easthope dot ca .
Can the two models, Mag One BPR40 and CLS1413, interoperate? If so what settings are needed. The middle dial on the Mag One is channel. Settings on the CLS1413 are via the buttons and small display.
Thanks, ... P.
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Peter W.
That depends on how they are configured at the initial set-up. The model gives the features and base frequency range(s) available. From there, whatever crystal or band-set is installed within the available range determines whether they will be compatible or not - if in the same band.
The CSL is a four-channel UHF model. The BRP is either VHF or UHF. Which do you have?
Start there.
Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
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Jeff Liebermann
That depends on how they were programmed. For the BPR40
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you'll need to find the CPS (customer programming software): "How To Program Motorola Mag One BPR40 Two-Way Radio"
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For the CLS1413, the programming is method is different:
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The CLS1413 is provided with a menu of 56 business and comercial radio frequencies. You can't just pick a frequency that matches whatever is in your PBR40's or some random frequency that seems un-used. The good news is that you don't need any programming software:
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I suspect that you're not familiar with the FCC rules and regulations governing the use of such radios. You haven't disclosed what you plan to do with the radios or which radio service you plan to use (MURS, FRS, GMRS, ham, business/commerical, public safety, dot and star, etc). For some applications, an FCC license or registration will be required. I suggest you discuss these issues with someone local who is familiar with the issues involved and who can help you with the programming.
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peter
Thanks.
Correct; probably Industry Canada regs here.
First instinct was just sell on eBay but two other possibilities here. (1) The Capital Regional District has organized an emergency plan. If the radios can be set up for emergency communications, might deploy for that.
(2) Many boaters here. If radios can be used for marine communications, that's also possible.
Will do. Thx, ... P.
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Jeff Liebermann
Sorry. I didn't see the Canada in your email address. I have no knowledge of how Canada handles such situations or if US type certified radios can be used in Canada. I did suggest that you contact someone local (in Canada) to explain how things work. I can try to answer your questions, but only from the US perspective.
We have a variety of such organizations in the US. The one's I'm familiar with use ham radios, not commercial radios. A few neighborhood organizations user FRS, GMRS, and MURS radios. At one time, it was possible to buy a combined FRS/GMRS handheld. After
2017, the FCC loosened up on some of the specifications, increased the power levels, allowed repeaters for GMRS, but banned the FRS/GMRS combined radios. This covers a small part of the changes and includes a few enforcement horror stories:
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Notice the giant fine for programming an unlicensed radio. I have no idea how this translates in Canada.
Also, radios are type certified by class of service. For example, if you want to use a radio on business frequencies, you buy a radio that has been certified for use on business frequencies. Same for ham, FRS, GMRS, marine VHF, public safety, and a long list of specialized services. The FCC allows radios to operate in only one class of service. Therefore you won't find a combination of marine and business class radios. You can look this up using the FCC ID number that appears on every legal radio at:
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From my limited experience with emergency communications, the organization provides a short list of acceptable equipment and radios. Sometimes, the radios are purchased by members, by the organization, loaned to members, or similarly distributed. Having them limited to a few makers and models makes training, servicing, programming, and purchasing much easier. Unless your radios have been approved for use in Canada, you might as well sell them on eBay to US users:
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Nope. I used to design marine radios for Intech Inc. Marine radios are designed to handle a specific list of frequencies and frequency pairs specific to the country of origin. Here's the Canadian list:
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The main problem here is that all the marine channels (except for HF channels) are on VHF frequencies. From the length of the antennas, my guess(tm) is that all your radios are made for UHF frequencies. That's not going to work.
My guess(tm) is that all your radios can only be licensed for business/commercial frequencies and use on UHF. I think your best bet might be to sell them to a Canadian user of business/commercial UHF frequencies. However, do this only if you're sure that the radios are approved for use in Canada. Otherwise, sell them in the US.
Probably for the best unless someone from Canada appears in the newsgroup. Good luck.
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peter
Peter,
Thanks for the reply.
Photo of the nameplate here.
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this info. TX Power (UHF): 4 Watts TX Power (VHF): 5 Watts Specs Frequency band: UHF
Ambiguous. It has UHF and VHF or just UHF?
The shiney disks and ovals below the nameplate are foil covers. Screws under them? Otherwise I don't see how to open to change a crystal or band-set.
Thx, ... P.L. .
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peter
Read about FRS, GMRS, and MURS in the Wikipedia. Appears MURS isn't used in Canada. Will have to enquire about the service used by the CRD emergency response organization.
These radios were used by the maintenance team in a health care facility. No doubt strictly within regulations. I don't know which "service" that is. FRS, GMRS, something else?
In any case, changing the crystal or reprogramming for a different service is probably not feasible.
Thanks, ... P.
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Peter W.
I expect those devices are software-programmed. That looks like a plug that is connected to a programmer that does what needs to be done. I expect the foil covers are over adjustments made once the band & frequency mix has been set at the factory. I do not think they will be dual-band at the user level but set 'from-the-factory' at either VHF or UHF, and that choice would be made by the end-user based on any number of parameters.
We use a local supplier for our radios of that nature, and they do all the programming at their shop. I expect that if you dispose of these devices to an organization that is able to comply with the applicable regulations, they will have such a supplier already who will be equipped to make them compatible with their existing systems.
Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
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I would not make that conclusion at this point as you don't have enough information. Download the user/programming manual to determine the frequency range they are designed to work in. If you have trouble deciphering the details you may want to consider contacting a local ham radio club and see if there is a member who could provide some insight. If that person can't chances are he can point you to an organization that could help. Sorry, I can't be of more help - am only familiar with my local amature radio and their emergency network. I have no knowledge of the radios in question. Good luck
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Jeff Liebermann
The number after the IC is the Industry Canada Radio Equipment approval number. You can check the number at:
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However, I doubt that your radios are counterfeits.
Looking up the Motorola model number AAH84RCS8AA1AN
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I find that it's UHF only. The reason they have both listed in the specifications is that they are trying to cover a variety of models and options on one data sheet.
Don't mess with the adjustments unless you have the knowledge, test equipment, and proper license to do the job correctly. Most adjustments, including frequency, are done digitally, via either a computer or from the keyboard. Please refer to the videos on the pages I previously posted. I haven't replaced crystals in Motorola radios since about the last century.
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Jeff Liebermann
If they were in the USA, it would be commercial/business and require a license for the hospital. There are seperate services, with seperate licenses for amulances, helicopter but those are usually independent from the hospital. Maintenance would be part of the hospital.
Reprogramming the frequency is quite feasable as long as it's used for the same service (business/commerical) and the assocatied license is for commercial or business use. If you're going to sell the radios, the prospective buyers will likely know whether the radios can be used for their existing service.
I didn't see any chargers or spare batteries in your photos. I hope you have those available.
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peter
All charger bases and power adapters are available. No spare batteries.
Will post again after local equiries.
Thanks to all for the helpful replies.
Regards, ... P.
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