LED spec for phone line?

I just had a look on t'interweb and it says that in the UK, as well as in other countries, a line polarity reversal takes place to inform caller ID equipment that the CID data burst is the next thing that's going to be placed on the line. Following the data burst, the AC ring voltage is placed on the line, and everything then proceeds as expected for an incoming call. It further said that a line polarity reversal can also be used to signal a remote party call termination, and can be used by some PBX equipment to initiate a cleardown.

So I would expect that there is a distinct possibility that similar signalling is used by at least some carriers in the U.S. , which means that the OP should definitely place his LED across a bridge, and feed the bridge with a suitable value resistor to provide current limiting for the LED, as well as a degree of isolation from the phone network. If he uses a high efficiency LED and a resistor of at least 10k, all the line conditions of idle, looped and ringing will be catered for, and as an added bonus, the voltage level can probably be estimated by eye, as a function of how bright the LED is.

Arfa

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Arfa Daily
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Quite True.

Well, ~130VAC atop the -48V.

Detected by the line relay looking at the -48.

The exact off-hook loop current is a function of the length/gauge of the outside plant. It may be ~5-30 ma; seldom more. Some badly designed phones/systems get upset if the loop is too short/current high. Distorted audio is one issue.

Another is the busy-detector in some phones/Zon credit card machines/faxes; it looks at line voltage. If they see An LED, (along with the appropriate series resistor) will only

ISTM anything more than ~0.5ma may trip, or maintain, the line relay.

Another old wives tale was you should not short the pair to force a busy; it will start a fire. Piffle. Work out the math. 0 ohms * 30 ma = 0 watts.

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David Lesher

As I recall from days gone by, the ringing current waveform was 130 Vp- p. It was also far from a perfect sine wave, so what the rms voltage was was anybody's guess.

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spamtrap1888

Depends on the source. Large CO's had motor-driven 20Hz generators. C.P Stocker invented the SubCycle, a no-moving-parts 20 Hz generator that replaced all but the largest m-g sets.

In any case, the ringer was not picky about waveform.

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David Lesher

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