Humidity Sensor Goldstar DH305 Dehumidifier Dew

A friend asked me to attempt to find a fault in a short-lived dehumidifier that functioned well for 1 season, but failed to operate after being unused until needed again.

The sensor for the relative humidity is a thin ceramic square with interlaced finger patterns deposited on the ceramic (looks like a VCR/camcorder dew sensor). This sensor is placed inside the front grille in path of the incoming air flow (but inside a small vented plastic box). As the humidity rises, the very high resistance decreases.

Searching the model number revealed that many owners have had the same experience with this model, that the unit worked great for 1 season, then no worky.

This Goldstar DH305 is a normal looking small dehumidifier with no digital readout or other controls that would give the impression that it's a complicated appliance.. only an Off/1-9/Max pot (no integral switch) and a high-low fan speed rocker switch.

BTW, the wrap-around metal cover needs to come off to access the controller board.

When turned on, the fan runs for maybe a couple minutes, then stops. The unit will not do anything else unless turned off then back on, after which the same action repeats.

The capture container float switch isn't a problem.. it works normally and turns on the red panel LED to show that the bucket needs emptied, indicating that the unit isn't going to operate until it's emptied.

As stated earlier, the Off/On is just a pot, and the varying resistance turns the controller circuit on, and the 1-to-Max setting will determine the amount of run time.

The controller circuit looks fairly simple until the solder side of the board is seen.. yep, another example of unnecessarily complicated design, IMO.

The underside of the board has about 30% of the area populated with surface mount components, including a 87C809 8-bit microcontroller.

After determining that the pot, switch and other sensors are apparently working (PTC, NTC components).. and the ciruit board soldering looks reasonable, I forced the unit into operation by huffing moist breath onto the humidity sensor, the way one does the Haaaaah on their eyeglass lenses to clean them.

So, the unit is capable of operating normally, and I checked that the controller relay, not the temperature protector, was cutting off the compressor. This isn't an expensive appliance (maybe $140 new), but since it's still functional, I'll attempt to return it to "fairly normal" operation (gold star, better than it was/is now).

The voltage across the humidity sensor is approximately 4V AC when dry (well, that's relative to the ambient humidity), and the unit goes into operation when the moisture causes the voltage to drop to approx 0.085V (85mV), which may not be accurate if there is a delay involved for some (unknown to me) reason.

I'm contemplating cleaning the sensor a couple of times (although it appears to be perfectly clean), checking the cicuit for a resistor that's drifted high in value.. or adding a parallel resistor of maybe 2-5 Megohm across the sensor (to get the voltage level down to a reasonable range.

Information I have, regarding cleaning and calibration of humidity sensors cautions against using certain chemicals such as ammonia, alcohol, formaldehyde.. and suggests only using distilled water and drying in a clean area (or perchloroethylene for contaminated sensors).

This effort could be somewhat simplified if I were using a calibrated RH meter.. I have these, but they haven't been calibrated for over 6 years, so I'm not confident of their accuracy. The Solomat manual includes a saturated salt reference method but I haven't tried it.

An alternative option could be to install a mechanical strip-type sensor with an integral microswitch.. I've seen old versions which have set-point adjustments, but I don't think I have any.

-- Cheers, WB .............

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Wild_Bill
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I recently tried to troubleshoot a Zenith dehumidifier that turned out ot be a LG underneath. The humidy sensor was made by these guys

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and is capacitive in design. The board also has a thermistor with a 2wire plus common wiring harness and sells for 27USD in Ohio.

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George Jetson

Have you tried an ex-vcr humidity/condensation sensor as they seem very reliable

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N_Cook

I've just remembered a problem with vcr (generally?) humidity sensors. I tried one as a window condensation sensor to cut in fans to dispel window condensation. If humidity was low then R was low ,and high for humid , but if the sensor got wet from condensation it would go low and stay low until dried out naturally or forced. Or maybe resistance the other way round but they were literally humidity sensors , not moisture

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N_Cook

I appreciate the tip GJ, and I had seen a replacement (suggested on a forum).. actually it includes the harness assy with the sensor board, a cold sensor and the mating connector for the float switch (for about the same price not incl shipping).

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Did you use the replacement part, and has the dehumidifier worked for longer than one season?

The sensor module in this DH305 unit also has a small thermistor (I think for ambient temp, because generally, dehumidifiers aren't supposed to be run when ambient is below about 60F), and a 3-wire lead.

BTW, the Samyoung PDF info states the sensor is resistive.

This appears to be the RH sensor in the DH305 model, with specs very similar to the Samyoung in the PDF you provided:

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The actual value of a used dehumidifier is fairly low, probably less than

50% of what a new one could be bought for, so spending $32 to repair a unit worth about $40 doesn't appeal to me.. particularly since the next fault may be only weeks away. This is, after all, just another example of low grade consumer crap.

I didn't want to get into a research project, but that's typical of repairing anything these days. Trouble is.. I got curious (again).

I don't need/want repair work, and my friends understand that. I prefer to spend my time on my stuff of higher quality and greater value.

-- Cheers, WB .............

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Wild_Bill

Yep.. I vaguely recall a VCR having a false problem with the Dew indicator being on, and failing to operate, but that was a long time ago.

When I pried open the plastic capsule for the dehumidifier's RH sensor, a VCR sensor was the first thing that occurred to me. I remember playing around with some of the VCR dew sensors but hadn't actually tried using them for any other uses.

If I manage to get this unit to operate safely and relatively normally, I'll accept that it's good enough.. it may not operate quite as efficiently, but I don't see that it was rated as a high-efficiency/energy star unit, anyway (and I have the user manual that was supplied). BTW, there's a caution, which states.. Don't drink the water from the dehumidifier!

I've modified older models to just cycle the compressor on for a reasonable time with the fan running continuously, and they captured a lot of moisture from the air.. in fact, very close to their original quarts-per-day rating when they were new.

That was the reason for the "unnecessarily overcomplicated" comment in my original post.

If this unit had been manufactured with a mechanical film strip RH sensor/switch, it likely would have operated normally until a major problem developed, likely many years later. But ohfuckno, the geniuses had to implement a microprocessor for a simple appliance.

The consumers get it again.. BOHICA

-- Cheers, WB .............

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Wild_Bill

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My bad, the pdf I pointed you to was resistive but there was another that is capacitive.

I got off the hook fixing this dehumidifier as its still under warranty. The problem started 3 months after purchase and others report about 1 yr before it occurs.

The symptoms were shutting down after 2 seconds and throwing a 01 error code. The mfg doesn't have any online info about error codes. Many others seem to be suffering this error as well.

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George Jetson

In looking more closely at the controller board, I found that the 2 humidity sensor leads are tied directly to the 87C809 uC pins 6 and 7. Between the #6 and 7 pins there is a 1M ohm resistor (meas 994k) and pin 6 has a small smt cap to the circuit ground (-) of supply.

There is no reason to expect that the dehumidifier will last for several years, even if the sensor is replaced, which may only mean that the sensor may need replacing again next year. There were numerous reported failures of these models after one year, so a repair that returns the unit to a "good as new" level, only means that it's likely to fail again next year.

The sensor manufacturer's specs show a voltage rating of 1V, and I've seen

4V AC present at the sensor (the sensor resistance decreases as humidity increases). I don't know, but I suspect that this may have caused a change/drift in the sensor's characteristics.

This exercise in frustration is another example of the present level of quality of consumer goods. The race to the bottom has led us to the point of new levels of consumerism.. where it's unreasonable to have any expectations of quality, and the stores are always full of new crap to replace the old crap. Shopping for new crap has become a form of recreation, at least here in the US.. they can't build malls fast enough to satisfy the cravings.

This dehumidifier was essentially produced with the lowest cost parts available (the electrolytics are 85C rated in an appliance that will generate a lot of heat) which are then assembled with lead-free solder, and rushed to a store near you.

This is the primary reason why I quit repairing stuff, even for friends.

-- Cheers, WB .............

Reply to
Wild_Bill

Ok then stop fixing things, if you can. Most of the people here enjoy logic problems and diagnosing broken stuff. Admit your a junkie just like the rest of us, we have meetings every week.

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George Jetson

I had already confessed.. my excuse, stated earlier, was that I got curious (again).

Some of my really old SER posts mention the problems/pitfalls associated with being inquisitive, and yes.. it's a life-long crusade/curse of sorts.

I don't buy expensive new high-end gear because when it fails (usually just as soon as a cheap product will) the disappointment is always greater.

I'll buy quality used gear and make do with it.. but sometimes repairing those free or $1 flea market/hamfest acquisitions can burn up a lot of time and effort (research projects, as stated earlier).

-- Cheers, WB .............

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Wild_Bill

On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:04:21 -0400, "Wild_Bill" put finger to keyboard and composed:

You can purchase the part (6877A30013R) at Sears for US$13.25:

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- Franc Zabkar

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Franc Zabkar

Thank you *Franc.. you have the knack to be able to find just about anything that gets mentioned.

I've been surprised many times by your abilities.

*(spelled correctly this time)

-- Cheers, WB .............

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Wild_Bill

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