What Is 'Approximate' for Adv Purposes?

That's what the inhabitants of those places think :)

A question I've actually had: "This Cambridge University you're going to study at... what part of London is that in?" :)

X-No-Archive: yes "Rich Grise" wrote : "Michael A. Covington" wrote : > "Roger Gt" wrote : >

: > > We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice" Where : > > the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were shown and : > > why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely : > > unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest for : > > total control of all human life was included, with several : > > hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the images : > > of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might use : > > ___ again! : >

: > Where and when was this? : > The point is, of course, quite compelling -- : > if communism were a good thing, : > it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't. : : They taught us some stuff about Communism too - one of the things I : vividly remember is the segment on propaganda tactics. And I see : fanatics off all sorts using the exact same tactics, and getting away : with it.

We got some of that too, explained how the supporters used the "Big Lie" tactic to divert people from looking into the details. We all know the "Devil is in the details" and should always look before we leap!

: : One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in "The : Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed Schoolhouse"; : it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they only : get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned out : for them, they only get to take what courses they're told, everything : the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So, what's : to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us? : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some propaganda, : just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The : teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it was : during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious as : the current "Homeland Security" evil. : : And the Big Lie works a lot better these days because people are : *SO* *STUPID*!!!!! : Thanks for letting me share, Rich

Your welcome Rich! We always need an example to provide a scale for the comments here!

-------------- And which now you're always careful to apply selectively and only to socially just alternatives to the current crypto-feudalism.

How well brainwashed you are. The rich love to hear you regurgitate. They spent SO MUCH MONEY programming you. What DID you actually think "The Weekly Reader" actually WAS, anyway??

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X-No-Archive: yes "Mjolinor" wrote : > One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in "The : > Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed Schoolhouse"; : > it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they only : > get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned out : > for them, they only get to take what courses they're told, everything : > the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So, what's : > to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us? : > How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some propaganda, : > just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The : > teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it was : > during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious as : > the current "Homeland Security" evil. : : As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I have noticed : is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are not taught : or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to

11 years) we : were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from : geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about their : lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at school : which, to me, seems absurd. It seems that all Americans know about the : pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly : insignificant event.

Actually I "Went to school" with many of the kids from those tribes from around my area, as well as participation in many other activities which are part of their culture. There are at least fifteen tribes in Arizona, the counties are named after some of them. Listing them wouldn't help, you have to meet them to see a difference. BTW some of the tribes are still at war with others. After several hundreds of years they haven't settled some of the disputes. But being an Englishman you wouldn't know that in places like Arizona, and southern California there are tribes right in town. In Arizona nearly 15% of the state's land belongs to the tribes and it's not possible to avoid knowing many of them as they are integrated into the society.

: This is not a dig at American education because I am sure the same applies : to me, it's just that I can't see my gaps unless someone points them out to : me.

The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at war with the US.... Never signed a treaty!

same thing to us?

So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about your file. :)

They're just regrouping?

Lousy cropping. What, or who are you replying to and about what?

That's exactly right, I recently went to South Africa and was asked several times which shops I would recommend for someone visiting London. I have a standard reply "I visit (insert current place name) more often than I go to London" and it's true. I have been to london once in the last 35 years and that was once too many.

Walz. Check the thread.

& Then there was the sitcom where some New Yawk guy says he's going to college at Stamford.

Cheers! Rich

Walz, you idiot. You've gone and excerpted the very part that you're claiming to make a point with here.

Read my post again:

---------------------------------------- So I asked, "So, what's : to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us? : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some propaganda, : just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The : teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it was : during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious as : the current "Homeland Security" evil.

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IOW, if you'd bother to read, I said that I "DID ... actually think "The Weekly Reader" actually WAS" was (possibly) propaganda. But, and this is something that it's been made clear repeatedly, thinking, and questioning, are outside the realm of possibility for you and your blindered robot ilk.

Your brainlock is showing again.

Try taking a look on the other side of your blinders. Or don't - it's your choice.

Oh, wait! You don't have a choice! You're a servo completely at the vagaries of circumstance.

Sorry. Rich

He's quoting me, about the time in 4th grade, when I asked the teacher about the "Weekly Reader" party rag.

Cheers! Rich

OK, my ignorance is showing - have the Seminoles and the US ever actually _stated_ that they're at war, or are you just ass-u-me-ing that, since there's no _treaty_, that "being at war" is the only possible alternative?

Thanks, Rich

Just another case of america is at war with everyone unless otherwise stated. :)

X-No-Archive: yes "Rich Grise" wrote : "Dave VanHorn" wrote : > > The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples : > > are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at war : > > with the US.... Never signed a treaty! : > They're just regrouping? : >

: OK, my ignorance is showing - have the Seminoles and the US ever : actually _stated_ that they're at war, or are you just ass-u-me-ing : that, since there's no _treaty_, that "being at war" is the only : possible alternative? Thanks, Rich

They chased the Army out of Florida at one time. And despite many being captured they have never agreed to end hostilities. But fortunately for all of us, they haven't fallen to raiding lately.

Really, it's history....

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Ah, Okay!

"Rich Grise" wrote : "Roger Gt" wrote : > Lousy cropping. What, or who are you replying to and about what? : He's quoting me, about the time in 4th grade, when I asked the teacher : about the "Weekly Reader" party rag. : >

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: Cheers! : Rich : :

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You have now.

In what way? Seems like with just about everything, the first ones are the ones that get the glory.

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Duh. You can't know what you don't know. Nobody can.

As for being taught about native Americans, well, I remember being taught about them in school. Not necessarily about all the tribes but about some of the more common ones, such as Navajo and some of the others in the western U.S. There are too many, so the emphasis was on the ones that were here in California, especially the ones that were involved with the Spanish Missions. Gabrieleno, Chumash, Ohlone, Miwuk, just to name a few.

There could be more than one reason why the kids aren't taught more, one being that they were treated shamefully. When I was in H.S. our history teacher went to the library at UCLA, I believe it was, and checked out old books from the mid 1800s and read selected paragraphs to us in class. It showed now adversarial the situation was back then, with settlers afraid they might get scalped by a 'savage'.

Anyway, that's enough of that, I said it just to prove that I've been taught something, not to get any response from others, and I wouldn't want anyone to reply thinking they would start an argument. This thread has deteriorated to way past the point of the original topic that I started. Damn, that really sucks.

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They live in Miami for awhile and then a hurricane comes along and blows them away, and they're scattered back all over the U.S...

But the Mayflower Pilgrims weren't the first. The first successful English colony was Jamestown, 13 years earlier.