Stratix-III announced

Personally, I am waiting for Cyclone III....

However, the homepage mention that Quartus 6.1 which comes along with S-III will have multi-processer-support (finally...). If this really delivers what it promises that would be REALLY great! (Time to buy a quad-core :-)

Thomas

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Thomas Entner schrieb:

hm, I think I looking more for XP2 ;) but C-3 might be nice thing also

Antti

what about MAX III ?

-jg

MAX III -> too small, S-III -> too expensive for our typical applications (however, the smallest S-III for a Cyclone-price would be a deal :-)

But what I really wanted to say is that I am pretty euphoric about multi-processor support, if it really works well and gets compile-time down drastically. Hmm, will I have still time to post here?

Thomas

In 6.1, only a few parts of the fitter have been paralellized - think of about 15% performance increase on a quad-core. However, once the timing engines have been paralellized in 7.0 or 7.1, expect a more noticeable speedup.

On the other hand, better to start saving a bit of time now and getting better over the next months than to make you wait for the whole thing to be fully paralellized for another year.

Best regards,

Ben

Would have been too good to be true...

Agreed.

Thomas

Personnaly, I'm also waiting for Cyclone III. Looks promising. By the way, I've been told that MAX III is also on the way ... and that NIOS II will be supported :o)

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A small correction to Ben's post: Portions of the timing engine are parallized in this release.

I should also point out that in addition to parallel compile, there have been other improvements made for compile time. We're always pushing on the fitter to reduce compile by general coding & algorithm improvements, and by being more intelligent about just how much effort we spend on your design based on how tight your timing & fitting requirements are.

Regards,

Paul Leventis Altera Corp.

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Yes, but with how much left over ?! :)

IIRC Xilinx have a MB Coolrunner demo, that surely no one has ever deployed in the field - but I did see it as a good tools-flow tester.

-jg

Jim Granville schrieb:

II will be

IIRC wrong. there is special PLD version of the PicoPlaze but MB never fits any xilinx PLD

Antti

Gentlemen, Try to be reasonable. All the devices you are mentioning don't exist today. They might be underway but still ... not available. The moment you have the features available, you are allready thinking of new nice-to-have's. IMHO this is more academic then reality. I'm still designing with 1st generation LatticeEC's and XP's, concidering ECP2 or ECP2M's but not looking further. If my customer asks me to work with Altera, then I'm proposing C2 (good availability), but again, not looking further.

Both S3 and V5 are too new (this counts for ECP2M as well). When the project is ready in say 3 months, I want to have silicon. I hate to tell my customers that they need to wait for their proto for another 6 months because the core of the system is not available yet!

Regards,

Luc

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snipped-for-privacy@telenet.be schrieb:

Virtex-5 are pretty much real and available also, for Stratix-3, ECP2M the availability is not yet there yet, thats correct.

Antti PS Cyclone-3 is scheduled to be announced mid DEC2005

As soon as that? :-)

Will

This _is_ a newsgroup ? Should the posts be restricted only to last years devices, and never to next years ?

I don't recall any of the posts saying they had designs held up ?

It is of general interest to see what the vendors have fixed, and who has learnt from their past mistakes, or their competitors ?

As to when a device is 'ready' to use in a commercial design, that's a quite different issue :)

-jg

and the schedule for MAX II ?

-jg

and the schedule for MAX III ? (oops, MAX III, of course )

-jg

I've had ECP2M35 samples for 3-4 weeks now. That is at least real if not "available".

Ricky.

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Cyclone-III silicon will be available as first, e.g. BEFORE stratix-III

Anttti

How about SOPC Builder? Have any changes been made for permformance improvements while editing? I have never had a problem with long generation times but I have a encountered long delays between adding and editing components.

Derek

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