ASMBL

Shiraz,

Idle speculation on the part of over-anxious authors?

Aust> While waiting for the next announcement....

I'm left puzzled as to why they should be anxious ? Maybe over-excited, or over-hyped, but anxious ?!

The cited reason for the ASMBL early info release is to 'create interest'.

Well, Ok, it's done that......

Now, imagine this :

Interest generates questions, and when those questions are given a 'wait and see' reply, that interest changes to annoyance and frustration, and the market droids 'clever idea' morphs into one needing damage control...

Still, those looking for hard info on future FPGA directions could, of course, pop over to

-jg

Jim,

anxious -

"1. Uneasy and apprehensive about an uncertain event or matter; worried. 2. Attended with, showing, or causing anxiety: spent an anxious night waiting for the test results. 3. Usage Problem. Eagerly or earnestly desirous.

Usage Note: Anxious has a long history of use roughly as a synonym for eager, but many prefer that anxious be used only when its subject is worried or uneasy about the anticipated event. In the traditional view, one may say We are anxious to see the strike settled soon but not We are anxious to see the new show of British sculpture at the museum. Fifty-two percent of the Usage Panel rejects anxious in the latter sentence. But general adoption of anxious to mean ?eager? is understandable, at least in colloquial discourse, since it provides a means of adding emotional urgency to an assertion. It implies that the subject so strongly desires a certain outcome that frustration of that desire will lead to unhappiness. In this way, it resembles the informal adjective dying in sentences such as I'm dying to see your new baby."

Austin

Oops, I missed one - in addition to

more FPGA direction indicators are also here :-

As to anxious, anxiety, or over-anxious etc, perhaps the subject "ASMBL anxiety" says it all... :)

-jg

Aust> Jim,

Jim,

*.......I have been admonished for commenting on competitors in this forum. That will have to be left up to others like yourself.

A careful review of all of the features of St2 will have to be left to others.

Perhaps Ray Andraka can comment on their new ALM architecture? Advantages, disadvantages?

Aust> Oops, I missed one - in addition to

One thing that was not obvious in a quick trawl thru their info, was the relative NIOS sizes (Stratix / Stratix II). You'd think that would make a good benchmark, but maybe it's still a 'work in progress' as they tune the SW.

Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?

-jg

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--Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759

I did a quick compile in Quartus2_ver4 with Stratix2 and Stratix same Nios design only changed parts. Results in ALUT's compared to LE's is

Hi Fredrik,

Are these numbers for a 32-bit Nios with hardware multiply?

-- Pete

Hi Pete,

No hardware multiply (used MSTEP), but 32-bit Nios. Design used was one I used on some Nios traning with DMA and a CRC custom istruction in it. Also some other goodies for trying out the various features of the Nios Stratix board. Cheers Fredrik

Jim,

Nios v3.2 is the final release of "classic" Nios. It is slated to be released very soon, and will offer a couple of tweaks for Stratix II support. For another data point: I ran the "minimal_32" example through QII 4.0 for both device families and got 2011LEs (Stratix) vs.

Again, Nios 3.2 will officially support Stratix II.

As for Nios II... I cannot comment on that yet, but stay tuned, its worth waiting for.

Jesse Kempa Altera Corp. jkempa at altera dot com

Jesse, Thanks for that. We would expect NIOS II to be more 'tuned' for Stratix II...

Here's a question, (for when you can comment :) Will NIOS II have a variant that fits/runs on MAX II devices ?

-jg

Hi Jim,

I'd love to address that right now but can't -- stay tuned for the MAX II & Nios II launches. They will answer that question.

- Jesse