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like libc5 vs glibc ?

at least there is no forced upgrade (and expensive downgrade) for GNU/Linux systems (if you stay away from RedHat). Going from 2.4 to 2.6 kernels took time too but it wasn't such a deal in the end.

hmmm it's time see if I can still run those programs compiled in 1996 on a fresh Linux box.

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Joerg, I'm curious, what kind of problem do you have with the Brother Control Center? I use it here on my XP machine and it seems to work without any problems? I use a limited set of features though, mostly scanning of images in fax resolution.

Scott

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Poorly written or not, I've got to use the stuff.

If push comes to shove I might have to use your services one day ;-)

Sure, but OTOH one of the PCs here ran NT4.0 until last year when its hardware was so worn down that I retired it. Never had any issues whatsoever. If XP hangs on that long it might just work for me until I semi-retire.

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So far software was good to me. Never lost a thing. But I have seen others who upgraded their CAD and suddenly, poof, lots of stuff was gone and frustration set in. I remember showing one of them how to re-create library models from his schematics and he was dancing in his cubicle. It must have saved him weeks of grunt work.

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For once, it does not let you select where it installs itself, it goes straight to C: without dialog screens. Then it freezes once in a while. Won't scan but still prints. Needs to be reloaded (that's what Brother said).

On one laptop it seems to forget IP linking because it never works after hibernate, needs XP restart. Oh, and then the printer itself hicks up once in a while. Won't react to anything at all. Every 4-6 weeks on average it needs a power cycle. Yesterday the fan wouldn't turn off. A couple of power cycles "fixed" that. Oh well.

That's just some of the issues. But OTOH this MFC-7820 multi-function printer and the software has saved me lots of time, paper, file space. Scan it all in, send the forms off, done. Before that I had to copy and file everything. And it prints pretty darn fast.

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Vista is now obsolete.

MS has started shipping Windows7 Beta and will, it appears continue to ship XP until Windows 7 is released fully.

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I have had little trouble with Vista in general. My new laptop is the first PC I have had that has a reliable sleep mode. I seldom turn the thing off, I just close the lid and move to a new location. Then I open the lid, hit the power button (sometimes it doesn't even need that) and type my password. It has to reconnect to any networks, but that is about it.

Overall, against my expectations, I am happy with Vista. It certainly could be better, but once you get around the new security issues, it works ok.

Rick

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There is no doubt that there is room for improvement, but I put it on par with XP pro with better security. I wanted to make the step up to a

64 bit environment and I knew that XP64 was a pain. I waited until SP1 and took the plunge. The install went smoothly and the only thing it didn't have drivers for was my scanner and Canon had a 64 bit package on their website. I used it with all the bells and whistles turned on, but it really doesn't do much for me using it in a professional setting with apps that don't really make use of all that stuff. What I really found was that some apps weren't Aero compatible and Vista would alert me that it had switched into Basic Mode and then back when I exited the app, so to make things a little more homey I just switched everything to classic mode and that was that. It has been extremely stable so far. Time will tell. I use to figure a reinstall of 98SE every year (or less) and XP every other year to get the OS back to as stable as possible. Hopefully now that MS has gone through the rush to get SP1 out they have had time to really look at what is going on and SP2 will put the final complaints to bed. As far as apps I know have been problems, antivirus, backup, and registry cleaners. Anything that expects to be run as a full administrator could be problems. The file manager is a little different and file sharing can get you tripped up the first time you try it, but that is the price you pay to tighten up security. It is a damn if you do, damn if you don't situation. Everyone wants the OS to be as bullet proof as possible while keeping it open to the intra and inter net along with giving all apps whatever resources they ask for risky or not. You know the story. I my case, Linux is not an option and I wanted to go with a 64 bit environment to take advantage of the hardware I was purchasing, so for me it was a no brainer.

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Nor here. Plenty of superior alternatives around (OS X, Linux, or OpenSolaris if that's your fancy...)

Once you've got over the transition it's fine. It's the transition that's a pain. If you're moving from an old PC to a new PC without serial ports, then the transition for embedded developers may be harder. My recommendation is to buy a *good* serial/parallel card.

I'm told that Windows 7 no longer has a "Classic" display mode. Can anyone confirm this?

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Thanks for the info however I am not wanting to upgrade to Vista. I do like XP. The reason I am asking is that I am considering buying a new computer and most that I see come preloaded with Vista. My question is do I try to make the best of Vista or DOWNGRADE to XP?

Sounds like a plan

iggy

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Downgrade to XP

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Here's the bottom line. Unless you buy a machine that is literally out of date, your only choice for getting XP is to pay extra for a machine with both XP and Vista. If you want, you can try Vista for awhile and then if you decide it is not worth the hassle, you can switch back to XP.

I will say that I remember the introduction of XP. There were all the same complaints about how it ran slow, sucked up memory and was not fully compatible with existing software. But now it appears to be the OS of choice with Windows users. I wonder what happened???

Rick

Not so. OEM's can still make PC's with XP. The official cur off date is not until mid 2009 (though it was mid 2008 last year :-)

SP1 and SP2 :-)

Windows 7 will be the OS of choice once it gets to SP1. AFAIK Windows 7 will run on XP hardware so most big businesses are waiting for Windows7 so they don't have to upgrade all their PC's

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Sounds great in theory, but good luck finding one that is not out of date and is cost competitive. I paid $550 for a 17" laptop with Vista. I couldn't find anything equivalent running XP for under $1000.

I want to make sure I understand. Every new version of Windows since ME has been a PITA for previous owners. But you are saying that Windows7 will be the solution of all of our problems?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Rick

Certainly not. My understanding is that it uses less resources than Vista so it "should" run on XP spec machines. This is a major plus to large companies with thousands of PC's however... it's new version of windows with all that that entails. :-)

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