I have seen in various places the equation Vbc = Vbe - Vce for NPN and PNP transistors. It may seem obvious to others but I just don't see how this is true. Could someone please throw me a bone? Thanks
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I have seen in various places the equation Vbc = Vbe - Vce for NPN and PNP transistors. It may seem obvious to others but I just don't see how this is true. Could someone please throw me a bone? Thanks
(Vb - Ve) - (Vc - Ve) = Vb - Ve - Vc + Ve = (Vb - Vc)
-- Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
The base region is between the collector and emitter regions. It is a stack. one part of that stack is the base-emitter junction (Vbe). the other part of that stack is the base-collector junction (Vbc). Add them together and you have the total stack voltage (Vce), or Vce=Vbe+Vbc. Rearrange.
-- Regards, John Popelish
Vce = Vcb + Vbe
Vcb = Vce - Vbe
Vbc = Vbe - Vce
Polarity is important.
Maybe this will help. View the ASCII diagram with mono-spaced font such as the WinXP default Lucida Console or Courier:
__ __ | | | | | | | | | Vbc | | | / | | |/ | |___| Vce | |\\ | | \\ | | | | Vbe | | | | | |__ | __|
Good answer, but misses the subtlety picked up by Andrew. Rearranging
Vce = Vbe + Vbc
gives
Vbc = Vce - Vbe
not
Vbc = Vbe - Vce
The equation in question is a reference to setting up a four-resistor biasing network for a BJT common emitter circuit. See:
slides 20-22, where the equation is derived from a mesh analysis.
network for a BJT common emitter
Please note that Vbc has the opposite sign from Vcb.
Vce = Vcb + Vbe Note: Vcb = - Vbc
Vce = -Vbc + Vbe
Vbc = Vbe - Vce
Vbc = Vbe + Vec
from B to C is the same as from B to E and E to C
Kirchoffs node law.
Bye. Jasen
network for a BJT common emitter
As indeed I did note when I referred to Andrew Holme's post - "...the subtlety picked up by Andrew." The reason for the polarity reversal is deeper than a typical thread in this forum would address. For those interested, here's another web reference to the Ebers-Moll large signal model analysis:
It gives me a headache. Just read Andrew's post.
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