Really old homebrew power supply

I have a power supply that I built as one of my first projects when I was in high school, in the mid 1960s, and it has always worked well enough for my needs. It's in a Bud "Portacab" 6" wide, 8" high, and 8" deep. It has 2" analog meters, 0-10 VDC, and 0-3 ADC, and a ten-turn pot for output voltage adjustment. It has a 2 wire non-polarized lamp cord for AC supply, with a fuse on one of the input lines and one on the output.

Recently I have been doing some work with switching converters and I have tried to use this old supply instead of a 12 V SLA battery, but the regulation seems to be really bad, and when I try to get more than one or two amps output, the voltage drops to about 7 or 8 volts which is really unusable. I seem to remember it regulating pretty well when I built it 40+ years ago, and I figured it must just be a filter capacitor that has finally gone bad.

I probably have not opened this thing up since I first built it, and I don't have the schematic, but I knew it was a very simple circuit, using transistors in emitter follower mode. On the back of the supply are two black heat sinks probably good for 35 watts each, and on each I found a

2N1540 TO-3 transistor, which is a PNP Germanium device rated at 45 volts and 3 amps. They were tied in parallel, with no emitter resistors for current sharing, so that was not an indication of a good design.

Then I traced the internal connections. The power transformer is a Stancor RT-204, labeled as a Selenium Rectifier type. It has two main output windings of 16 VAC each, at 4 amps, so it is capable of 128 VA, much more than the 10 volts at 3 amps as indicated by the meters. There is a large full wave bridge in a plastic package (Motorola), and the output is filtered by a large 450 uF 50 VDC metal can capacitor. There is a second capacitor of the same type that appears to be just a filter across the zener diode, which is a 1N2976B, nominally 12 VDC 10 watts.

There are also two more TO-3 power transistors mounted on a small aluminum heat sink inside, and these are 2N554, which are also PNP Germanium devices of unknown rating, but they appear to be connected in a darlington configuration to drive the bases of the main output pair, from the pot which is across the zener diode. There is a second DC voltage supply that was derived from an extra winding on the transformer, and this seems to be used to provide a higher voltage to assure that the output transistors stay turned on under heavy load conditions. There is also a 500 uF 15 VDC capacitor directly across the output.

So, it's not a good design, and it uses ancient parts, and the output voltage and current are not what I really need. Of course, there are many new (or even old) power supplies I could buy to meet my needs, and I already have several of various types, but not exactly what I want. Now my question is what to do with this so that it might be of some use, without a really major redesign.

The transformer should be able to provide about 14 VDC at 8 amps, which would be perfect for 12 VDC battery circuits. Rather than replacing the meters, I could add a switch for x2 on voltage, for 0-20 VDC, and I could do the same on the ammeter (although not as easily) for 0-6 ADC, which is enough.

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If I use the existing PNP Ge transistors in emitter follower configuration, I think it will be enough to use two base resistors to balance the current, but I will not be able to use a simple pot on a zener to provide regulation. It is also difficult to wrap my brain around a circuit that uses a positive ground and a variable negative output, but that's how this needs to be unless I turn the drive transistors around. That would also make it easier to add a current limiting function, which I would like to have.

I worked out a possible circuit in LTspice (see end of post) that should work adequately, and I could keep many of the original components (except I need to use at least 10,000-30,000 uF filter capacitors for 6 amps). I simulated one darlington connected PNP transistor with an NPN/PNP pair, which I can use if the original Germaniums go bad. I have a 3 amp current limit for the single pair, but I'll add another set to get 6 amps maximum. It's not a great circuit, but it's much better than what I have now. It'll be cool to have a power supply made with 1960s technology, but better than my rather poor original efforts.

Any thoughts before I heat up the iron?

Paul

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Paul E. Schoen
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Good chance the electrolytic caps have dried up.

John

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John Larkin

I will definitely replace those. They are only 450uF 50V, and only one is used for raw filtering, so I don't know how it ever worked at 3 amps output. The ripple was probably horrendous. I don't think I had a scope at that time, and I usually did not use the supply for high current. I will probably use 30,000 uF at 25 VDC or something similar that I have in my surplus stuff.

A few years later I built a much better supply that had decent regulation and current limiting. But it was 0-25 VDC at 1 amp, and it is now in my junk box with other old projects.

Any idea on how long electrolytics last? What about ways to test them? I would think injecting a constant current and reading the voltage to check the capacitance value, and then monitor the self-discharge to determine leakage?

Paul

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Paul E. Schoen

Right. 30,000 uF is more reasonable here.

Great minds...

It's usually loss of C that kills them, not leakage. If they're seriously leaky they'd run hot.

Charge one with a battery or power supply and then slap a resistor across it and monitor the discharge with a DVM. For any given voltage, measure the time to get down to 37% of that voltage. That time is Tau = R * C. You can also charge it to some voltage, put it aside for a while, and measure it later to see if it's leaking. A good 'lytic will have self-discharge time constants of hours or days.

A very old cap may need to be "reformed" to reduce leakage; just apply increasing voltages, up to rated, until leakage is low. But if the supply powers up OK, that's already happened.

John

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John Larkin

Good ones last forever. The ones in the Sachsenwerk radio in my lab are from the 40's and still fine. So is the main filter cap in the old Hammond organ from 1961 even though they placed the rectifier tube right next to it (arrgh!) so it's close to boiling all the time. They also placed that tube way in back and I wonder how many curtains might have been cinged, or worse ...

Bud Portacab? Man, you must have had a fat allowance back then. This is some of my stuff I built when I was young, all enclosures either from some scrap yard or made from scratch:

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The camera doesn't count because I was over 20 by then.

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Joerg

My father worked in an electronics lab and the PortaCab was, er, surplus, as were some of the other parts. I'll have to take a photo of it, and some of the other old projects I have on shelves and buried in boxes. Your enclosures look really nice.

I have an old power supply that my father bought from a *blind* radio repair man, probably in the late 30s, and I'll have to see if it still works (but I cut the cord off when the rubber and cloth insulation totally disintegrated). And I also have some WWII vintage meters that my father got when he was in Germany during the occupation. The wooden cases on them were really well made, and the wiring was beautifully done, with varnished cambric insulation.

Paul

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Paul E. Schoen

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