OT truth in advertising

Do they actually do that? Beef extract?

Probably don't sell much of that in India.

I quit buying that stuff a long time ago. I may eat oatmeal or polenta for breakfast. My favorite is the tailings from my beer making operation - lot of fiber, low cost, probably high in vitamins. It is just a few pounds of crushed grain and barley malt that steeps in the brew water for a day at 160 F - I'd been discarding the spent grain but found I like it for cereal (tastes like Grape Nuts) and it is nice in bread too.

My shopping cart seldom has a box or can in it - I'm always amazed at what passes for food these days.

Well...... being the scientifically inclined chap I am, I once tended to that view until I was once given a homoeopathic remedy for mild arthritis in my hands.

I didn't even know it was anything homoeopathic I was being given. It worked very well though. I got pain relief possibly faster than with conventional analgesics in fact.

It works. I have no idea how or why but it does indeed work.

Graham

It really does make you wonder who had such an idea in the first place doesn't it ?

I'm pleased to see 'processed foods' in the UK especially including such things as ready to cook meals increasingly removing artificial flavourings and colourings, to the extent it's used as marketing aid now.

Graham

Is that really so ?

damage

The liver damage I understand. The brain ?

Graham

I find canned tomatoes very convenient. Ingredients: peeled plum tomatoes, tomato juice, citric acid. I assume the citric acid is there as a preservative.

Canned pre-cooked beans are very handy too. Nothing artificial in there either. Other than that I rarely buy anything canned.

Graham

I guess so -- the guy used to be the chief of pathology at one of the major hospitals here in Indianapolis, before he moved to New York to take a job

damage

Ethyl alcohol is a CNS (central nervous system) depressant. Basically, it's a mild poison. It definitely has bad effects on nerve tissue, and I'm sure that a brief Google search would turn up plenty of information on that.

Google "placebo effect" for a possible explanation.

I've entirely ruled that one out. I'm not daft.

It seems homoeopathic remedies work on animals too who don't even know it's been introduced into their drinking water.

Explain how that's a placebo effect.

Graham

I didn't say you were. But it's not possible to rule it out, except by conducting a scientifically-designed double-blind study. It's simply impossible to rule out placebo effect on one's own self, because you *know* what you're taking.

Got a cite for a controlled, double-blind study that substantiates that?

I didn't think so. Every time homeopathic remedies are investigated in placebo controlled, double-blind scientific studies, they are shown to be ineffective.

Easily: the humans who are introducing it into their drinking water are the same humans who are evaluating its supposed effect.

Of course it is; look up "placebo" some time when you're not medicating yourself with alcohol.

But "being present in very small quantities" does not necessarily make a nutrient into a micronutrient. The difference between using white sugar or brown sugar in your cookies affects the taste, but is nutritionally irrelevent. The numbers are just too small. And who wants to depend on eating masses of sugar to boost one's health?

Given how fuzzy existing definitions seem to be, I may as well make up my own, I guess. As a design engineer, I exclude matter as being energy; of you don't, then everything is energy, including vacuum, and the term loses utility. So: energy is those things that are properly measured in joules. So sugar, properly measured in grams, is not energy. It can be pursuaded to create energy, the amount depending greatly on the process used. If you drop it onto the floor, it produces less energy than if you burn it, still less than if you mix it with anti-sugar.

Simple dimensional analysis.

John

That's precisely the point. I *didn't* know what I was taking when I first came across it. I didn't know its name or anything. I was just told that a friend of a friend found it helpful for the same thing.

Graham

If it wasn't effective, why would farmers pay for it ? They're not rich over here.

Graham

Those are specially made for just you.

One evening, I was looking for something to flavor my vodka water, so I tried a couple of tablespoons of brown sugar - it tasted just like root beer!

Brown sugar is also an important ingredient in a lot of cooking, like cookies and sloppy joes:

Cheers! Rich

Well, alcohol attacks brain cells, right? Well, in the jungle, the predators always go for the weakest/slowest of the prey, so it's only logical that alcohol would attack your weakest/slowest brain cells, thereby strengthening "the herd". ;-D

Cheers! Rich

the damage

Yes - I drink alcohol to slow down my brain enough to make myself more equal to normal people. >:->

And it feels SOooo good! %-}

Cheers! Rich

The most insidious addiction of all is the addiction to control, or more accurately, the illusion of control, which afflicts all of the rule-makers, who, unfortunately, get the sheeple to cosign their insanity.

Cheers! Rich

been introduced into their

The experimenters only record the results that match their expectations.

Cheers! Rich

I've observed the placebo effect in myself! I was participating in a test for a new anti-heartburn drug, and they gave me a bottle of pills, and a little log book.

I took one pill, and by heartburn disappeared almost instantly. And they weren't Rolaids, either!

I recused myself from the study.

Cheers! Rich