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So are you trying to tell us that dilution causes these things to disappear?

Same for all fruit juices. But were you not doubting the existence of these micronutrients in cane juice?

True, but how are you certain that this is the substance referred to by the OP?

Cane juice and broccoli juice will be quite similar nutritionwise. Less energy in the broccoli.

Refining white sugar takes out ALL the nutrients except energy which is the essential nutrient that most of us get way too much of.

jack

you won't last long on a zero kilojoule diet.

Bye. Jasen

I use a fair amount of molasses for breakfast cereal, bread baking, glaze for meat, beer making, etc.. Buy it by the gallon (for beer flavoring) . Jug only mentions potassium 4%, iron 8%, calcium 4% and sodium 1%, content for MDR - only ingredient is molasses, no sugar syrup no preservative. Serving size is 1 TBSP.

Good stuff.

Further off topic: Beer is a great source of B vitamins, and antioxidants. B3, B6, B2, ferulic acid, folates, and my beer, at least, iron and potassium.

Beer gets a bad rap by snotty wine buffs and is regarded as "low class" but the health benefits surpass wine of any color. The government made it illegal to put the MDR of beer on the labels in an effort to discourage drinking.

Somehow I doubt US beer,that is filtered and pasteurized, qualifies as health food.

Dilution dilutes things. Beyond that point, I can't interpret your question.

Micro is as micro does. Tiny amounts of nutrients have tiny benefits.

Didn't he mention "evaporated cane juice" or something like that? I suppose it is possible he was talking about some other sort of cane. Maybe he bought a pack of bamboo candy?

We engineers apparently have a different definition of "energy" than you do.

John

And you wouldn't last long as a design engineer.

John

The difference in % values may depend on the type of molasses, the clue is in the size. The stuff I have bought has been in small tins/jars - nothing as big as a gallon, but I've never looked at beer making supplies - don't like beer, sorry (if it's any concilation I don't like wine much either):

The black strap type is obtained after the sugar cane juice has been boiled

Lawmakers around the world tend to have difficulty with the idea that not everyone thinks like they do. People who drink too much are unlikely to be the sort to study nutritional info on labels. This just makes it more difficult for those interested in their health to make informed decisions.

The darker and less refined the higher the nutrient content. I don't use sugar for sweetening purposes (i.e. adding to prepared food drinks), just cooking, so I haven't used white sugar for years.

Seems a bit pointless to include extra refining steps simply to remove nutrients, no matter how small the quantities. Adds nothing, takes away nutients.

Would be healthier with molasses poured over it, but may add a touch of bitterness :)

Good answer! And what were you saying about micronutrients?

You sound like my long dead father: "I've forgotten more than you'll ever know, boy!" He claimed to be an engineer too. We used to respond with: "On which locomotive?"

jack

Well you implied these things do not exist, but when shown to exist in the concentrated form....

Try looking up the definition of micronutrients. They include all the vitamins and minerals. Thud!!!

Yes, but that is not turbinado

Maybe...

Really? And I though energy was energy. Could you explain your definition of energy? jack

Ummm, I doubt that. Wine has more nutrients, usually. The lot are spoiled by the toxic alcohol content. Not that I'm against a little poison :)

Overconsumption is surely a huge health problem.

Well, no, the alcohol would preclude this.

jack

Darker sugars are *more* refined. The first-press "turbinado" sugar is very light in color and flavor, great in coffee and for cooking, and is most "natural." They re-dissolve it two or three times, splatter it on the sides of huge spinning drums, and wash it with hot water to make it whiter. The last stage is crystallization.

The stuff that they wash out is an amber liquid. They boil that down to make molasses. To make brown sugar, they add molasses to white or amber sugar. It's quite synthetic.

My ex-daddy-in-law was a Cajun sugarcane farmer and part owner of a cane mill, which is how I know this stuff. We used to get the raw sugar before it became popular. We'd just bring a bucket to the warehouse where they stashed the stuff, pushing it around with bulldozers.

John

What, are you into the micronutrient/homeopathic thing? They do rate among the finer placebos.

John

I wonder if there is not a large middle group who are neither out-and-out drunkards not interested in their health or anything else except the next hit of booze, and neither the total abstainers.

Folk who have a dependence on alcohol and are trying to moderate their usage. A campaign to show the health benefits might tip many into overindulgence and past the point of no return.

I used to self-medicate with alcohol, but took supplements to ameliorate some consequential health deficits. I would not have been persuaded by any campaigns, only because I have had a lifetime interest in nutrition and human biology/physiology. But folk without my interest could so easily rationalise some positive message about slight health effects of booze into consuming more than they can cope with.

Just look at all the folk quaffing red wine in the belief that the net benefits outweigh the net damage.

You can get your antioxidants from much better sources than those tied to alcohol. Try some dark grapes, for instance. jack

ps, I'm not anti-alcohol, I just don't kid myself that it is good for me :)

You obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about. Homeopathy is bullshit!

From the Macquarie Dictionary: " micronutrient /muykroh'nyoohtrearnt/ noun a vitamin, mineral or other substance essential for good health, but required in tiny amounts only. Compare macronutrient."

"macronutrient /makroh'nyoohtreeuhnt/ noun a substance, as oxygen, hydrogen, etc., required in large amounts, for good health. Compare micronutrient."

HTH jack

ps, I'm looking forward to your definition of energy.

From

1. What is raw sugar?

Raw sugar is a tan to brown, coarse granulated solid obtained on evaporation of clarified sugar cane juice. Raw sugar is processed from the cane at a sugar mill and then shipped to a refinery. It is about

1. What is turbinado sugar?

Turbinado sugar is raw sugar that has been refined to a light tan color by washing in a centrifuge under sanitary conditions. Surface molasses is removed in the washing process. In total sugar content turbinado is closer to refined sugar than to raw sugar. It can be purchased in many health food stores and some supermarkets.

1. What is brown sugar?

Brown sugar consists of sugar crystals contained in a molasses syrup with natural flavor and color components. Many sugar refiners produce brown sugar by preparing and boiling a special syrup containing these components until brown sugar crystals form. In the final processing the crystals are spun dry in a centrifuge; some of the syrup remains giving the sugar its characteristic brown color. Other refiners produce brown sugar by blending a special molasses syrup with white sugar crystals."

HTH jack

Why do kellogs put beef extract in my frosted shredded wheat? you think these things are ment to be natural an then you realise theyve poured some scrapings of death to give it an edge

Why do kellogs put beef extract in my frosted shredded wheat? you think these things are ment to be natural an then you realise theyve poured some scrapings of death to give it an edge

Antioxidants really have little to do with the health benefits of drinking wine (or any other form of alcohol). To quote a pathologist friend of mine, "You never, ever see coronary artery disease in alcoholics. You open up a