Metal to metal contact generates RF?

I'm pretty sure the level of RF in a model plane is unlikely to approach that needed to produce arcs as it's receiving, not transmitting. OTOH long conductors can also look like multiwavelength antenna elements, absorbing RF and storing it temporarily assuming just the right lengths, and if their length changes at just the wrong time that energy will dump out as sparks, producing interference with desired operation. But this smells improbable; one would have to work at it.

The situation with phones etc is the opposite; engineers stay up late making sure this kind of thing can't happen.

This sounds like a more reasonable concern, especially as the metals' work functions may be different allowing rectification. This applies even if the metals are the same as one bit may be more or less oxidized than the other.

A somewhat less catastrophic version of the first idea seems more reasonable; that the moving connected metal parts will look like a variable antenna element parasitic to the actual antenna on the receiver, reducing/reinforcing the field strength seen by the receiving antenna making reception vary wildly as if the plane were jumping large fractions of a mile from the transmitter as the parts move.

Mark L. Fergerson

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Mark Fergerson
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"quietguy" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...

Hi David, I have heard of pieces of metal, long metal cables, etc. when in the presence of an RF field can arc at the junction in the case of a high field. Even in a weak field the junction can act as a diode and may produce some broadband noise but I never heard of the warning WRT RC planes. Regards, Tom

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Tom Biasi

I fly (or crash) radio controlled model planes as a hobby.

Engine speed is controlled by a servo which operates a piano wire control rod which attaches to the throttle lever on the engine.

I am advised by the cluey and experienced guys at my club that metal to metal contact in glow planes is a no no - ie the metal throttle control rod mustn't attach to the metal throttle lever on my engine, as it will cause glitches etc - ie interference with the radio control operation

However, on thinking a bit about it I don;t see how this can happen as there is no potential difference between the motor throttle lever and the control rod - in my current case the other end of the rod as is usual just attaches to a plastic/nylon/whatever lever on the throttle servo.

I am not sure that RF 'noise' can be generated just by rubbing two bits of metal together when there is no potential difference between them

I note that in other situations - eg mobile phones in cars, car radios etc there is LOTS of metal to metal contact surounding these devices, and is not a source of interference (ignoring the common problems of earth loops etc which are a different matter)

If it is relevent the RC operates on 36.xxx megs

So, I am thinking that maybe the problem doesn't really exist - in the situation as I have outlined above - but I have been wrong before, so....

If you believe it could be a problem I would appreciate a short explanation of how the interference is generated, and whether your view is based on personal experience or information gleaned elsewhere

Cheers and thanks in advance

David

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quietguy

Thanks for the replies - much appreciated

David

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quietguy

Those guys could be wrong about the WHY, but right about the interference. You could get interference coming from the ignition. Do you have a high voltage coil in the plane to give you spark? If there is a conductive path from the engine to the radio-controlled servomotor, you might get interference from the high voltage spikes generated by the ignition coil.

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kell

Hi, David. Unless you have a brushless DC servomotor controlling the throttle, you might want to replace your brushes (and make sure you have the right ones -- the wrong brushes, even when new, may not make good contact). If they're worn, that can generate plenty of RF noise. I believe that's the most common cause of interference with the RC control.

If you want to follow up on the question of static generation, look at any insulators rubbing against each other. That's a much more likely cause of charge generation (like shoes on a dry carpet, or a comb on wool). Sometimes, putting a tiny amount of dry graphite lubricant between the rubbing insulators can help.

Good luck Chris

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Chris

Good thought Kell, but most RC planes - all of mine - use a glow plug so there is no coil or spark etc\\\\\\

David

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quietguy

Thanks Chris - actually I am not having any problem with interference - the plane in question works fine and no glitches noticed. However, experienced club members (and lots of other guys on a RC plane newsgroup) suggested I not contine to use metal to metal contact in a new plane I built - so I was wondering about the how and what and such of this potential problem

But I appreciate your reply

David

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