How to count pulses per second ?

Nope, just stating a fact. Like you, he cut's his nose off to spite his face.

The same might be said of you if you simply tried going out in public.

You sure seem to find allot of pleasure in it.

Find me someone besides yourself that thinks the above statement is out of line. Your version is like saying, "It's not a good idea to leave all your cash laying on the front doorstep".

Amazing how you can know my intent like that. You should work for the DHS.

I tried to be nice and helpful to you then, but you'd already made your mind up to be mean becuase of the "easy to impress" issue. Just like below, I believe their was a winkie at the end of that statement then, but that doesn't seem to matter to you. You can be offensive whenever you like but others should always be nice to you, is that about right? All you need is an excuse and your coming down on anyone, makes no difference what you know about them or anything, you just start rattling offensize, hateful remarks.

Considering the hundreds of horrid things you claimed about me before that, are you really that surprised? It's the law of reciprocity Fields, what goes around comes around. Of course you could just tone down your shameful behavior, but that's not very likely, is it?

Who struck the first blow between us this time Fields? Or will you continue to take the position that you were defending Ed from me? Didn't you bother to notice that Ed was the one to jump in and start the whole anti-micro thing in this thread? Look for yourself if you don't believe me. Now tell me again who won't let it die?

So I'm the only one around that's not allowed to voice an opinion? Grow up John. Just because you like SBC/Yahoo doesn't make them good, or don't you understand that? It's your opinion vs. mine, but you seem to think you automatically are right and I, by default, must be wrong; therefore, I'm not allowed one. Most likely I've dealt with them allot more than you anyhow, so I think I'll continue to say what I want about them, ok?

Speaking of hypocrites....... A winkie is not informative enough for you to get it? It was a joke, sheez.

You're like the Energizer bunny......

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IKYABWAI?  In any case, utter nonsense.

As if. You're such a friggin liar Fields, you really make me sick. You wouldn't have put it a tenth as nice as I did. I could sit and post links for the rest of my life showing how much crap your statement was. Fortunately, I don't need to because we all know it already.

You should know by now.

PKB

I certainly see plenty of offensive posts from you.

Did you ever wonder why you're the pivot man? You bring this on yourself, when will you learn?

You don't argue with him, because he won't/can't argue. That's the truth of it. He just goes into his silly repeat posting state and you know it.

Too bad you have so much trouble keeping up, maybe you should stay in your own league from now on.

I'm not in any bad position.

And you wonder why I thought your little pittance of an apology fell short.

As if that's not a true statement. You are offensive. Why should I pretend any different?

Are any lights going on in your head yet???

You do as you please, but I prefer to remain heterosexual.

It doesn't make it good either, now does it?

You're speaking from one experience with them, I'm speaking from years of it, who do you really think is in better position to judge?

making them your heros, huh?

I didn't put it like that, but I probably should have.

Right back at ya.

You know where you can put it then.

No joke. Are you done yet, or do you want to trade some more insults?

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Nope, I\'d put it ten times nicer.

Well, I guess if you count that as a "blow", ok. Gee I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, all better now?

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Cut\'s???

So far I don\'t see anything so positive coming from you that
plonking you would make much difference.

That was pretty nasty, wasn't it?

I thought you were done...

You wouldn't want to miss out on criticizing my PIC code would you? Got my first version pretty much done, just gotta test it first. I wouldn't want to post something that didn't work. So far I've spent about 30 minutes on it, or about 1% of the time I've spent chatting it up with you. :-/ The hard part is going to be drawing up the schematic. I'm not sure what I'm going to draw it with, probably a pencil. ;-) How's your Moto code coming along?

All smoke screen. I said it in my first post, and I'll say it again: PIC's are great. You are incorrect in thinking I am a PIC hater.

What is *not* great is those who come into a post here where someone asks for a solution and offer the "use a PIC" idea with *nothing* to show the solution. It is the lack of a genuine desire to help, coupled with the smug attitude that is wrong. It is also wrong to portray PICs as easy, simple or cheap to a PIC noobie. Like anything else, it's easy when you are already proficient. But to falsely give that impression to the noobie is a disservice.

Ed

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I didn\'t think so, I was just pointing out a punctuation error you
made.

You do realize that the apostrophe there indicates a contraction,
no? 

That is, after expansion, what you said was, "Like you, he cut is
his nose off to spite his face. 

Does that make any sense to you?

Duh. By nasty, I was referring to my stupid mistake.

Now what do you think? Do you see me make this mistake often? I've done it in silly places like that before, oh well. I'll probably make further mistakes at some point, so I hope you won't feel the need to launch into a complete grammar lesson when they occur.

Er, umm......I think we get it John.

I suppose that's your prerogative.

Your battery capacity calculations left a little to be desired as well.

I still have to dig out my stuff (programmer, proto stuff, etc), hopefully I'll find time to post it today. Tinkering time is short when you have a 2 year old.

Seriously though John, I don't have anything against your technical skills or the way that you solve problems. I know you're good at what you do, even if I don't toss you an encomium every time we meet. I even take note of how helpful you are to so many people, believe it or not.

I wish you could take it a little easier on folks and try not to curse quite so much, since kids and schools do use this medium. I know it's your right to do so, and I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life, but you seem to have an awful lot of advice for me on how to get along with folks by making nice. Why not take some of your own advice and lighten it up a bit? You should have been able to tell from Eric's response that you had made him feel small with your reply. You said that wasn't your intent, but that is precisely what happened. I'm not making another attack against you, I'm just hoping that you might want to consider this appeal.

You seem to be a "PIC lover" hater. At least you seem to have a good stereotypical description of the "PIC crowd".

How often does a poster come back and ask for the help using a PIC and not receive any? Looks to me like in most cases when an OP does bite at the PIC suggestion, a mini sub-thread often develops. The main thread goes on with the PIC/no-PIC battle and doesn't notice. The sub-thread usually helps the people wanting to try a micro, sometimes turning into a PIC/AVR battle, but anyway...

AFAIK, I've always tried to help anyone asking ME for it. If I suggest to use a PIC then I will help them if they want it, I don't just say "use a PIC" and run away. I actively look for PIC questions and try to answer them specifically. It doesn't seem fair for you to arbitrarily assume me a member of the "PIC crowd".

And there's nothing smug about your attitude here? I'm sorry, but I must disagree. Sounds like you are saying that all members of the "PIC crowd" are weasels, and I don't think that's fair at all.

And the key phrase here is: "Like anything else". That includes all the rest of the things that one would need to know to be able to follow any of the advice given here. For example, soldering. ;-) They're still cheap, no matter what. A programmer costs less than an mediocre DMM and they certainly won't be doing any electronics work without a DMM now, will they?

Rube Goldberg?

AD650 -> comparator -> LED.

, page 6.

It seems Digi-key has them for as little as $15.00 =:-O But you could shop around for "frequency to voltage converter".

Comparator - LM311?

I think it can sink enough to drive a(n) LED... Yeah - Vsat at 50 mA is .75V typ.

Cheers! Rich

looks like it. xxencoded starts the same but uses fewer "symbol" glyphs.

sounds like the gmail interface doesn't support uuencode. maybe using a MIME attachment would work better.

This may require using software other than agent to send the emails.

Bye. Jasen

You can use whatever label you want - I was stating a fact. But it does not matter. The issue is not about me. The issue is not about you. The issue is about behavior.

It's not about the poster coming back and asking. It's about the repeated behavior of coming into a post, dropping the "PIC line" and offering nothing. That behavior does not exist for the "hardware crowd" to anything approaching the extent it exists for the "PIC crowd". What generally happens is that the "hardware crowd" posts one hell of a lot more than "use a 555" (or whatever). Many times a complete schematic, theory of ops, parts list and so forth is provided. Sometimes even prices from an identified supplier are posted. Whyinthehell can't the "PIC crowd" do the same thing? Their effort would be more in providing the code that will make the PIC perform the "magic" that the op wants, but the principle is the same. The PIC code is analogous to the hardware circuit.

Show some references. Where are these posts here or on SED? I follow those newsgroups, and I don't see them.

Where do you see me saying that you are a member of the "PIC crowd" or attributing that behaviour to you? I had assumed nothing of the kind - I didn't even address my post to you, until you replied to it. But whether you are or are not is not the issue. As I said before, it is the behaviour that is at issue. It's not about you and it's not about me.

Most likely, there is, and there may be other things you dislike about my attitude here, too. My "smugness", if that's the right word, is that the "hardware crowd" offers orders of magnitude more help here and on SED than does the "PIC crowd" when they elect to participate and promote PICs. But what you are calling smug, I call the absolute and provable certainty that the "hardware crowd" has provided substance, not just a smug "use a

555" (or whatever) to many many questions here and on SED. But set that aside, and stop trying to make this a you versus me issue, if that is what you are trying to do. It is not about you or me.

I didn't try to label the "PIC crowd" as weasels, but the label is irrelevant. I described the behavior. What I'm talking about applies to those who exhibit that behaviour. Would you kindly show us references to some number of posts - say 10 - here and/or on SED where members of the "PIC crowd" offered a complete PIC solution, not just a reference to being able to do it with a PIC.

He (the noobie) will be using a soldering iron and DMM with PICs or with harware solutions, so that comparison is disengenuous. And you totally ignore the books, kits, compiler and whatever else he will have as start up costs. And even if you ignore that and restrict his cost to the programmer and the PIC, he'll spend more for those than he will for the parts in JF's circuit.

Now it is "put up" time. All you need to do, if you want to make your point, is show say 10 links to the helpful, substantive posts from the "PIC crowd" here and/or on SED. There is no other issue in my post.

Ed

Speaking of smoke screens. It sure seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me. I guess if you spend enough time bashing the "PIC crowd", then enough of them will go away or keep quite in order for you to appear to be correct.

CaptDondo and Jason von Nieman were one of the subthreads within this thread. Then when the OP mentioned an interest, John P and Petrus told him where to look. Looks to me like there's much more of a useful "PIC crowd" here than you imply, perhaps they often choose to remain quiet and avoid the lumps.

You can say what you like about this, but everything I've seen from you so far shows that you seem to have a serious 'tude about this stuff. AIR, our first encounter was with you coming out of nowhere with the "oh gawd not another one" when I offered the PIC suggestion to someone. You might try painting the world with a less broad brush.

BTW, assemblers, datasheets and other learning material are FREE, so is GCC. Outside of the programming equpment costs (and that can be avoided or kept very low if need be), time is the only issue. I would think that since we are mostly talking about hobbiests here, time is really not that much of an issue; procrastinating students asside.

Of course you'll probably respond with something implying that the learning curve is steeper than that of brain surgery, and make it sound like one would have to go thru it every time they thought about using a PIC. But for my personal purposes, learning to use a micro was the most productive thing I've ever done in my electronics tinkerings, the benefits to me have been immeasurable. The time spent learning to use them was absolutely nothing compared to value of the return. And that's a real honest to God fact.

I'm sure if I wasted enough time searching, I'd find your ten posts in all the years of Google USENET archive history. What exactly would that accomplish though? Would you stop with the PIC bashing, no....so why bother. I pointed out four "helpful" responses in this thread alone. As for complete solutions, I posted one when we had our first meeting. ISTR, no positive comments from you then. At any rate, I bet it wouldn't be hard to find 10 "use a 555 posts" that went no further, we'll probably see that before the month is out.

PS. I'm more a member of the "teach a man to fish" club. Sure it takes longer and requires more effort, but it's worth it. Obviously I have a 'tude over this stuff too. I suspect it won't change much either. Anyhow, I've got a program I still need to test before posting, unless you'd rather see the code now? What exactly are you going to be "putting up" now that it's time? Perhaps you'd like to prove to us all that you're not a "PIC hater" and show us some code yourself? :-)

You said: "CaptDondo and Jason von Nieman were one of the subthreads within this thread. Then when the OP mentioned an interest, John P and Petrus told him where to look.

Unbelievable! You cite 4 references, 1 of which asks for a PIC starter kit, 2 of which speak against PICs for the solution, and one of which doesn't even refer to PIC's. (Quotes from their posts below.)

It is pointless for us to continue. What you reference as supporting your viewpoint, doesn't. If you honestly see it that way (supporting your viewpoint), there's nothing I can say that will reach you.

Ed

CaptDondo: "Does someone sell a pic-for-beginners kit?" (2/14 at 5:03 PM)

Jason von Nieman: "When I was working with PICs (about 4 years ago) they were a big pain in the butt. Programmers were complicated, there was no good, free C compiler and Internet resources were limited. Maybe the PIC scene has gotten better but AVRs just keep getting nicer and I see no reason to go back to using PICs." (2/14 at 6:11 PM)

Petrus: "I fully agree with John that a electronic solution might be better in your situation. PICs *do* have a learning curve which is often underestimated by the "lovers". " (2/15/2007 2:56 PM)

John P: "Take a look at the data sheet for the LM2907:

" (2/15/2007 8:35 PM) That's *not* a PIC!

That's right.

And you consider Petrus' post as being supportive of your viewpoint? If so, there really is no point in continuing this discussion. I still want to see your solution though.

Looks like the start of a subthread to me.

So AVRs are different from PICs in the context of this debate? This is about micros, not PICs in specific.

Where is the other 2/3 of the post that procede to supply helpful information on PICs/micros? How deceptive can you get, geez.

You got me on that, I should have checked it out again before commenting on it. I still think two helpful posts within this thread easily make the case for being able to fine 10 in all of USENET history, don't you agree?

I finally posted my schematic, "tested" code and HEX file. I'm really looking forward to your helpful solution.

Anthony, I'm using Google-Groups, where did you post the schematic & code ?

Thanks! MC