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Dumbfuck. The "tools" I and my work associates use is our computers.

Maybe you'll catch up in your next life.

You're an idiot. I have seen and done it both ways.

The $12 per pair but at $7 per pair in ten packs, AND the $35 (yes idiot, only 35) per pair bought as needed OR in ten packs when found way. Both work, and the latter works better because the tools remain sharper longer and produce more professional results, not that a total idiot like you would know anything about being professional.

The steel used in the cheaper variety also means that it could shed and end up in a chassis. The good brands use good tool steel.

You lose. Again.

They are these days ($50). And yes, they are the finest, just as Wiha makes the best screwdrivers, generally, and Excelta makes the finest tweezers.

Yes. I have the 120mm IPX-74-11, only $17 at Frys compared to $30 at the local Microcenter. They claim to have the worlds best air flow to noise ratio. The Japanese S-flex is also pretty good, I used them in my servers which are not so close to my desk as to demand the worlds best :-).

Glen

But what YOU would pay for a swiss made tool you can use for the rest of your life might not be the best idea for a large shop where tools move around a lot and frequently get taken home by employees.

Archie resorts to his usual temper tantrums at the thought of a company that buys the cheap ones even though he volunteered that he "cobbed" the Lindstrom ones that he has!

Return On Investment (ROI) and theft rates might strongly urge the use of cheaper inferior ones that Archie would swear about, rather than the Rolls Royce snippers.

Archie is the one who described $5 snippers bought in large case lot quantities.

Archie's urgent need for EGO is more likely his motive.

Xcelite or Klein nippers are beneath his dignity!

Archie griped at one engineer for using an old computer to figure out routing of traces for printed circuit boards. The old machine did it in a minute, but Archie tried to insist it was somehown better if the job is done in milliseconds.

All of this is silly considering that Archie blatantly has a brain disorder and would be lucky to be doing much more than pushing a broom.

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If that's the only industrial hygiene you've got to catch such contaminants, then you've got problems anyway.

You'd know that if you weren't a disability case just like Toaster Boi Phil.

While I'm in no way suggesting that employees should steal tools from their employers, I have to wonder... if we're talking about really good hand tools that'll last a lifetime, even if an employees takes a handful of $50 tools, we're still just talking some hundreds of dollars. Sinces wages/salary + benefits are typically going to run something like $100k/year/employee anyway, is some hundreds of dollars really going to make a difference in whether or not a company is viable?

Or are you suggesting many an employee tends to take one tool for himself... and then another for his neighbor... and another for his uncle... and so-on and so-forth?

I would have to admit that while I'm willing to pay for some pretty fancy tools at times, I would find it hard to standardize on $50 snippers at a company when the $10 versions work well enough; Xcelite and Klein and entirely decent. But I suppose this is why, in some trades, employees bring their own tools -- they can decide for themselves what level of quality best suits their needs (and budget). (If I were providing the tools, I'd be concerned that new hires are likely -- out of ignorance -- to misuse the tools anyway, and I'd much rather have them damaging $10 tools than $50 tools. :-) )

---Joel

1) Perhaps that few hundred, times a dozen employees, is better spend on another scope? 2) Theft still is theft. 3) I end up bringing my own tools to work (where they gleep 'em from me). BTW I don't by good tools for work (HF mostly ;-).

Does it matter? Theft is theft.

Moons ago, the problem was wire strippers that looked like long-nose pliers with a notch in the jaws (the notch being the business part). Too many thought they were long-nose so would try to turn nuts with them. After one turn they were useless as strippers. The techs tended to guard them rather seriously (often putting screwed up pairs around for the "engineers"). Today the problem seems to be tweezers.

Maybe in the next life you can take third-grade English, DimBulb.

Hi Keith,

Sure... although I would be surprised if it typically actually comes down to that: "I wish I could buy you a new scope, Keith, but those blasted employees of our keep stealing snippers and I just don't have the money for it this month..." :-)

Yes, but the context of the post was that we're looking at it strictly from a business (financial) point of view.

Good idea. :-)

From the business perspective it matters greatly if your average employee pinches a couple of $50 tools during the (let's say) multi-year course of his employ vs. doing so, e.g., every few months.

I've seen those around but haven't ever used one myself. The main difference I've found with wire strippers has been how sharp they are to start with and whether or not they hold that sharpness... many (but not all) of the cheap ( Today

At least around here there are tweezers in abundance... stop by sometime and we'll give you a few. :-) Only a few are Exceltas, though, but most of the rest are decent enough... (For, e.g., SMT parts I actually prefer the kind of tweezers that are closed by default and you squeeze'em to open them up, but apparently I'm unusual in this respect...)

---Joel

What tantrum? Oh, that's right, you are so full of shit that all you can do is spout it out.

Nope. You are the only one cobbing anything here. Right now, you are so desperate that you are trying to cobb attention.

You do not want me to give you my attention, boy. You would not survive the rigors of the lesson you would receive. FOAD.

You are an idiot. Xcelite is crap. Klien is the finest American tool, though they are now made in ROC as well, which causes pause.

The amount you know about anything in the world would fit onto the tip of a molecular probe.

You make Roy look like an electrical genius. Compared to you, he is.

More lies. We HAND route or layouts.

There were never any arguments about how fast an auto-route runs, because we do not auto-route anything.

Will you ever get ANYTYHING right, you slobbering little bastard?

You're a goddamned idiot, and you know absolutely nothing about manufacturing process, much less any preventative controls they might be in place.

There is nothing to know, you retarded, desperate little bitch.

More proof that you are nothing more than a little kook bitch. The gang boy retard use of the "boi" "term".

Yeah, you need a life lesson. What is your address, BOY? I will come teach you what you are missing in life. Oh... that's right... you are too much of a scared little bitch to post your personal info.

Go back to the kook group, little boy.

Beating you down on a daily basis is a nice bit of hilarity for me. Go ahead, pussy. Post the info. Unless you are too scared.

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I cannot thank you enough for your prompt polite relevant direct answer to my simple question. It reminds me of the way the groups and net used to be 20-30 years ago.

I'll go pick up a couple of those fans to help cut down the roar here.

Thank you again for taking the time to offer your assistance.

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Please stop hurting my feelings you nasty man.

You can have him, but just take him away from here.

That's why I called you one. We finally agree on something.

Funny to see that you signed you declaration of your mental state as well. Bwuahahaha!

Not hard to ignore a seven year old mentality twit that claims to be an adult. You are that twit.