In a continuing push to shed kit, I'm now turning to my herd of UPSs -- effectively one per workstation/server (in addition to line conditioning and backup, they give me a convenient place to plug the associated peripherals and switch everything RELATED on/off in one spot)
I've some 2200VA units gathering dust that could, conceivably, replace several smaller units as I rarely have more than two or three machines powered at the same time.
This would let me economize on battery purchases (as each UPS needs its own battery pack, if I can rid myself of a few UPSs then I can similarly rid myself of those battery packs!)
But, 2200VA is a 20A branch circuit. In a residence, most are 15A (1440/1800W).
IF I KNOW THAT I WILL NEVER EXCEED THE AMPACITY OF THE BRANCH CIRCUIT, what risk to repurposing a 2200VA unit to run off a 15A circuit?
Steady state, power out is roughly power in, neglecting transfer inefficiencies (which are probably comparable to those of a comparable load on a smaller UPS) and any charging current for battery pack -- which may be higher as the battery pack is larger than that of smaller units (even though those are all "powered" at all times!).
In "test" mode (which I typically disable), I *think* the UPS switches to battery power and applies a load -- to test the inverter and battery. So, that should have minimal impact on what the branch circuit sees.
So, maybe inrush current might be higher?
I'm hesitant to just "try it" as the things are heavy and lugging them into place (only to be disappointed) is not something I look forward to doing -- let alone sorting through all the cabling, etc.
Maybe I'll hunt for a schematic and do a cursory analysis (you can usually find these things hidden away, online)
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Don Y
Ha! Not an issue! I found four 1500VA units hiding which is a much better "wiring fit" than the 2200VA (and avoids the issue entirely).
Now, I need to gather up all of the "unused" devices and get them the hell out of here! :<
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Martin Brown
One advantage of UK 240v mains is that the currents are lower. I have seen 3kW heaters used in cold rooms cause trouble with cables that were not tightly crimped leading to red hot wire devoid of insulation and charring of the interior of the plug.
US style mains is radial rather than ring isn't it so you will be sometimes pushing the limit if the UPS needs to supply 2.2kVA. OTOH the cable will just run a bit warm when that happens. If it happens too often then it will shorten the useful life of the cable.
A UK mains ring circuit provides twice the nominal capacity of the cable used provided that the ring isn't broken.
Slow blow fuses can stand roughly twice their nominal rated current flowing through them for tens of minutes (though get rather hot).
You could do a test wherever it is presently located to see under what circumstances and for how long it might draw 2.2kW. I don't understand the notation (1440/1800W) is that steady load and absolute peak load?
If it is then you may have your answer since insurerance loss adjusters love to find a reason not to pay out if there is a fire.
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Don Y
Here, the emphasis on reducing cost (and labor) leads to all sorts of "bad design choices".
For example, receptacles (typically duplex) tend to have a pair of connections for each "conductor".
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The connections used to be screw terminals though now tend to be "back stab" self-securing fasteners (the bare end of the wire is slipped into a hole in th4e back of the receptacle where a ratcheting mechanism "grabs" the wire; to remove the wire, one inserts another object -- typically a cabinet-tip screwdriver blade -- into a nearby slot to mechanically disengage the "ratchet").
The metallic part of an outlet -- with all the plastic removed:
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(Note the "link" at the top can be deliberately severed to allow the two receptacles to be independantly wired -- like for an "always-powered" and "switched" outlet to be colocated)
A consequence of this is the wiring at the receptacle is in series with all other loads downstream from this point. So, a screw that works its way loose (because the receptacle sees repeated mechanical disturbance as items are plugged and unplugged) leads to a higher resistance connection AT the receptacle.
A better (though more labor intensive) practice is to secure the upstream and downstream wires directly together and run a short pigtail off to the receptacle. As such, any disturbance at the receptacle only affects the load plugged into that receptacle (which is likely smaller than the SUM of that load and all downstream loads)
This is aggravated by the DIYers who *think* it's just a matter of connecting a couple of wires...
OTOH, our branch circuits tend to be smaller -- lower power (ampacity).
A typical home will have 15A (1440/1800W) circuits for lighting and most receptacles; 20A (1920/2400W) for "small appliances at the kitchen counter; 30A@220V for an electric clothes dryer;
50A@220V for a stove; etc. Few "corded" devices require a 20A circuit -- the plugs have a "horizontal neutral" to ensure they don't mechanically mate with a 15A-only receptacle (which has parallel blades for hot and neutral)
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E.g., the 2200VA UPS has a plug with non-parallel blades. Removing it to replace it with one with parallel blades is a code violation as the device loses it's "listing" (hello insurers!)
A house typically has a 60A ("dated"), 100A or 200A (all at 220V) "service" but this is distributed over 20 or 30 branch circuits.
Yes.
The 15A circuit would barely support a 2200VA load (assuming a PF of ~0.8). But, I wouldn't have such loads powered simultaneously -- I would be exceeding the circuit's ampacity even if they were plugged into discrete outlets in the absence of a UPS.
"cable" meaning "wiring internal to the residence"
The "cord" to the UPS would still see the full load.
<frown> I may have mentioned that I have a lot of kit? <grin>
These UPSs are all rack units -- typically 2U to 5U. Big. Heavy. There's no easy way to store them other than to stack them atop each other AS IF they were mounted in a rack.
The 5KVA units are >> 100f pounds -- even without batteries (the batteries add another 100 pounds). The 2200, 3KVA, etc. units are a bit lighter -- but, not the sort of things you would encounter in most SOHO environments (that you can lift and transport without much effort).
So, I'd have to test them "in place". Which means bringing power *to* them. I have a 100ft #12AWG "cord reel" but *it* weighs almost 40 pounds! Then, getting access to the outlets on the back side, etc.
I.e., decide to use it (and invest the time to get it into position) or NOT use it (and leave it where it is).
But, as I said in another post, I found several 1500VA units (same physical size but their magnetics are lighter weight). That will let me stage them in different places, closer to their respective loads.
[Goal is to move all the machines -- and the BTUs they throw off -- out to the lab and access them headless. There, I can be more deliberate in how they are wired -- and make them more accessible, at the same time (instead of hiding them under workbenches, etc.)]
The 1800W is the rating of the circuit (15A @ 120V = 1800W) at nominal line voltage. "Best practices" are to derate branch circuits by 20%, hence the 1440W is the nominal "maximum expected load". This being important where users can add loads to the circuit at will (vs. dedicated circuits where the load is unalterable).
There's a *reason* for those "requirements". They're not just trying to bust your balls...
[I've a buddy who does a lot of DIY stuff. To his credit, he at least makes an effort to make it *look* nice! But, he omits things like conduit (EMC) as it's extra cost and labor. As if the *sole* reason for its use is to drive UP that cost!]
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Don Y
This, for example:
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powers the computer (and modem) I'm typing at, presently. A bit of overkill as the computer, monitor, router, modem, etc. draw less than 70W (of the 1000VA/800W capacity) -- giving me almost 3 hours "on battery" in the event of an outage.
But, as you can see, it's BIG (17H 3.5W 19D) and heavy (50 pounds). Not like the "shoebox" size units more commonly encountered.
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