U.S. Propane Exports Racing Towards 500,000 Barrels ***DAILY***

And they're totally wrecking the environment with fracking to do it. Great. They got money and we got no water. Great.

You also "got" an impending cancer epidemic from the chemicals and possibly billions of infrastructure damage from the mini-earthquakes they're causing.

The chemicals stay down in the rock layers where the oil and gas are.

And a few mag 3 quakes aren't going to hurt anybody.

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The natural brines down there at the 5000 foot level aren't exactly Fiji water either.

Of course, if Fred and Jurbwhatsisname and Miso and Co. want to volunteer to freeze in the dark themselves, I'm sure we'd all observe a minute of silence in their honour.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Fracked NG is a gift from Heaven. One part carbon, four parts hydrogen, and pretty much nothing else.

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So cheap, they're thinking of replacing Bunker C with LNG on merchant marine ships. That Bunker C(rap) is barely one step above asphalt.

"Number 6 fuel oil is a high-viscosity residual oil requiring

remaining after the more valuable cuts of crude oil have boiled off. The residue may contain various undesirable impurities including 2 percent water and one-half percent mineral soil. This fuel may be known as residual fuel oil (RFO), by the Navy specification of Bunker C, or by the Pacific Specification of PS-400.[2]"

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

I used to design marine automation systems, and go on sea trials. Bunker C is like tar and won't even flow at room temp. It produces horrible sulfur and particulates up the stack.

A lot of ships are direct-drive reversing diesels now, and they don't burn C. But they're still nasty and dirty.

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A few mag three quakes are nothing for homes built for earthquakes. I'm not so sure they are a good idea for random locations in the US.

And to think "A View to a Kill" was fiction.

The GOP is lobbying to export refined gasoline. Ridiculous. in my opinion. The whole damn Keystone pipeline is for exports. We didn't even call that crap oil decades ago. It is some goop mixed with a solvent to make it transportable in the pipeline.

Note the high energy prices are due to speculators and QE. QE drives up the price of commodities.

Quite the opposite. They're using propane instead of water for fracking, which might be where some of that exported propane is going: Of course, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction:

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A mag 3 might knock a wine bottle off a shelf. It's unlikely to, say, tip over a mobile home.

Our old Victorian, with a brick foundation and no special bolting or bracing or shear walls or anything, did pretty good in the 1989 "world series" quake, mag 6.9. OK, the brick chimney cracked, but it would have done that by itself eventually; after 100 years out in the rain, the mortar was basically sand. It was easy to disassemble.

But energy is dangerous. Coal miners and roughnecks die. Trains full of oil and products crash and burn. A producing NG well is pretty benign. Ditto an NG pipeline.

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You can't go by that, the west coast bedrock is newer and different from th e east coast which is mostly granite, sustaining the energy wave with less attenuation. The 3.0 on east coast is more damaging than 3.0 on west coast, that much is known. The Washington Monument is still under repair and not expected to reopen until spring 2014. It was about 100 miles from the epice nter.

The shale oil is going to be produced whether there is a pipeline to send i t to the U.S. for refining or not.

The U.S. is still importing oil and will probably do so for the next hundr ed years. There is a huge amount of shale oil.

So the only question is are we going to force Canada to build a pipeline to the West Coast and have them sell the oil to China, or are we going to use the shale oil here and benefit from having the oil and the jobs it creates . Right we force Canada to sell it to China and then China can manufacture more stuff, instead of the U.S. doing more manufacturing.

Dan

Dan

I just paid $3.04 per gallon last Tuesday.

Dan

That's about right. Your tax dollars are paying for the Energy Information Administration, they have updated data like this:

Heating oil is especially ridiculous. The $5/gal LP price is for agricultural regions where the residential competes with the agricultural demand, places like southern Illinois, Ohio, and Indiana.

But natural gas is mostly methane, and burning it dumps more CO2 into the atmosphere. John Larkin has been suckered by denialist propaganda to the point where he a) doesn't believe that it's going to create global warming and b) doesn't believe that global warming would be a bad thing if it did happen.

Less gullible people know better, but the fossil carbon extraction industry has spent it's propaganda money effectively - you can fool enough of the people for long enough to create what's going to be a serious problem for the kids of people who've got them.

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They are more than welcome to run the pipeline through Canada. I don't drink Molson, so Canada can pollute their own water, not ours. I like that south of the border beer.

Processing the shale oil is in itself very energy intensive. China doesn't have nearly the excess electric capacity that everyone thinks they have. If they did, they wouldn't be buying raw silicon wafers made in the US.

Now if Canada wants to refine the shale "oil" and then sell the refined product to the US, that is fine with me. If they want to pipe the shale "oil" plus solvent through the entire US to reach gulf coast refineries, they can go f*ck a moose.

In the mean time, we need more renewable resources.

Sufficiently reinforced masonry of any type tends to survive quakes well, certainly well enough to evacuate safely. If the reinforcement is insufficient people die.

3 is nothing spectacular. A dumptruck with trailer driving over a crooked manhole in the street is worse. enough to damage a house of cards, topple dominoes, that sore of stuff.

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It doesn't go like that. The survivability of a structure is a function of its self-resonant frequency(ies) and the frequency of energy in the quake wave.