No, Iss would only change if you had a point-contact diode, or some other odd geometry, and the depletion region varied; for a planar transistor, it's a device constant. Vt, of course, is proportional to Kelvin temperature.
Define 'close proximity'; on the same die? If things nearby are dissipating power, they make temperature gradients.
So, use a quad transistor, and use one for logarithm, one for thermometer, and two for heaters.
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Yes, that is how they sense die temp in CPUs. Oh, don't get a big head because I'm agreeing with you.
You mean connect base to emitter and run the transistor upside down?
Running a BJT upside down gets you a different BJT, one with a breakdown voltage of about 6 volts or so, a beta of around 5, and a really really low saturation voltage. The low V_CEsat is really the only reason to do that, and in the diode connection the transistor never saturates, so there's no benefit that I can see.
I've never measured the f_T of an inverted transistor, though--has anyone here done that?
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Hmm, interesting possibility--I don't know the answer.
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VCEsat is an inverse function of reverse beta, so a transistor operated in inverse mode has a reverse beta of the forward device ;-) Main use is switching. There used to be symmetric transistors called "INCH" (IIRC) for low on-drop in both directions. ...Jim Thompson
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How about the high frequency characteristics? Would a cascode behave better or worse with an inverted BJT as the upper transistor?
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I don't know. Interesting question. I _think_ it might actually be wider bandwidth, but VAR (output impedance slope... someone explain that to Larkin :-) might take away any improvements. ...Jim Thompson
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Zetex has some transistors with rater high beta in the inverted mode
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Cool, thanks. In a current source application, the small capacitance helps a lot, and the crummy beta doesn't hurt much. I'll toss that into the bag of tricks.
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