Tiny high mu toroid cores

Feb 17, 2017 Last reply: 2 years ago 18 Replies

For a number of years, I've been using tiny high-mu toroid cores made by Vacuumschmelze for ISDN transformers. These were amorphous metal cores, Vitrovac T60009-E4006-W650. It's a 6.9*3.2*2.3mm core with Al=13uH/t^2. The LF mu_r was in the 100k ballpark. The data sheet is at , if you're interested.



They were little miracles, these cores, and I ended up using them in lots of places: RF transformers, hybrids, low noise amplifiers, etc. I've used thousands just by myself, despite the fact that I never manufacture large numbers of any particular device. It's with these cores that I made these fantastic five decade bandwidth transformers. Bandwidth is obtained with the greatest possible inductance in the tiniest possible space. With ferrites, I usually get only three decades.



The trouble is that Vacuumschmelze stopped making them, and I want more! I've looked at lots of other cores, both ferrite and amorphous or nanocrystalline, but nothing works quite as well. The closest I've found is a Metglas Magnaperm core, type MP0805L4AF. It's close, but still not quite as good. I thought I'd give it a shot, asking if anyone here can point me to a secret stash of these Vitrovac cores?



Jeroen Belleman



We highlighted one of your transformer-based low-noise preamp designs in AoE III, section 8.10.1 and Fig 8.68. This was based on a transformer made with the Vitrovac T60009 - E4006 - W650, AL = 13μH/t^2. Very sad.

Thanks, - Win

How about amorphous wire for the core?

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Boris

Another argument for purchasing a lifetime supply for unusual parts.

Thanks, - Win

Toshiba used to market an FS 10x4x1 in amorphous material with similar Al, but it disappeared from catalogs in 2015.

RL

Dexter magnetics claims to have them in inventory.

RL

Yes, I discovered that when I got my copy of AoE III. I'm honoured.

Jeroen Belleman

I had no idea, initially, that I would be using *that* many. I kept finding new applications, but now I've run out and I can't get them anymore.

Jeroen Belleman

What about buying the products that used them on eBay?

Thanks, - Win

That looks very promising!

Thanks, Jeroen Belleman

I don't fancy prying them out of potted ISDN transformer DIPs.

Jeroen Belleman

I'm not sure what benefit there is in using these parts. As far as ISDN goes, you can get practical results over the application band and environmental range (with POE type DC power superimposed) using ferrite.

RL

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I don't care about ISDN. That's just the application that they were originally made for. I use(d) them in RF transmission line transformers and low noise amplifiers, where they allowed previously impossible bandwidths and noise levels to be realized.

For example, I got under 300pV/rtHz over most of the band for a matched-input wideband amplifier using such cores.

I also made 5-decade bandwidth hybrid transmission line transformers using them.

I can use ferrites, but I'd end up getting much less bandwidth. Ferrite typically affords only three decades of frequency.

Jeroen Belleman

Did you find your Vitrovac T60009-E4006-W650 cores or something almost as good as?

ISDN transformers were great for all sorts of things, but are hard to find nowadays.

No, I did not find any. Pity, they were little miracles. I stopped searching though. I'm retired now.

Jeroen Belleman

Am 30.07.24 um 04:56 schrieb Sly:

Could be found at the source:

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Cheers, Gerhard

(just searching some different thread)

Yes, but no more. They disappeared with the demise of ISDN.

Jeroen Bellemans

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