Re: ping Jörg: on what 'raw data' is

Dec 19, 2009 4 Replies


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>>Eeyore wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
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>> thread drift
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>>>> Secondly, the assertion that they do that to "burden the scientist" is
>>>> not a proper fact statement, it is a clear case of judgement and the
>>>> writer had better back that up. I don't see where he did. That lessens
>>>> my interest in a certain piece of writing rather dramatically because
>>>> in my eyes it makes it lose credibility, whether it's an answer to a
>>>> blog or whatever.
>>>
>>> The story Steve McIntyre was finally told was that the raw data belonged
>>> to the intended publisher of Mann's report and was therefore
>>> confidential under copyright legislation !!! ( source Steve McIntyre )
>>>
>>> In other words, a proper peer review was made impossible.
>>>
>>That has deeper implications for data that is owned by businesses
>>who are used as outsources for the work. I've been worrying about this
>>for a long time.
>>
>>/BAH
>
>Hmmph. I had been led to believe that work paid for by public monies was by
>definition public domain. WestLaw last a big lawsuit over that.

Apparently research paid for with public funds actually belongs to a few highly profitable publishers like Elsevier, Springer, Wiley. Their abstracts are deliberately pitched such as to be vague enough that you have to buy a $25 paper just to find out that it's not useful.


I have to resort to subterfuges (like fudging on student IDs) to get at this stuff.


John



Cool. Too bad it's all wet stuff.

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has more physics.

John

But if our tax dollars paid for it, is it not already paid for?

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Google does it for free. And publicly-funded research could easily be burned to DVDs that could be ordered at the cost of production.

John

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Most journals charge the authors a "page fee". They get everybody coming and going.

John

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