Re: OT: America could go bankrupt : Musk

Oct 25, 2024 Last reply: 1 year ago 21 Replies


America could go bankrupt – Musk


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> As rt.com may be bocked in your country, here is the article
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> America could go bankrupt – Musk
> The cost of servicing the federal debt will absorb tax revenue, leaving nothing for critical needs, the tech billionaire has predicted
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> The US is spiraling towards bankruptcy and will quickly go bust if Washington doesn’t stop spending so much money,
> Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has warned.
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> Musk was commenting on a post on X, which highlighted skyrocketing interest payments on US government debt.
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> “We now pay nearly $1.2 trillion per year in interest on the debt,
> about 23% of all taxes, tariffs and fees collected by the US govt goes to paying interest on the debt,”
> the Wall Street Silver account posted.
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> Musk replied, warning that “if there is not a radical reduction of government expenditures,
> then, just like an individual who has taken on too much debt, America will become de facto bankrupt.”
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> “The interest on the debt is trending to rapidly absorb all tax revenue, leaving nothing for critical needs,” he added.
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> Musk previously pointed out in September that the cost of servicing the vast US federal debt has outstripped
> the current defense budget, which topped $840 billion this year. >
> The US Treasury announced in late July that the national debt had surpassed $35 trillion, soaring by a trillion in a six-month period.
> The current figure is $35.7 trillion, according to the US Debt Clock. >
> This is not the first time the tech billionaire has sounded the alarm over US debt.
> Earlier this year, Musk said that the current rate of government spending was putting the US in the fast lane to bankruptcy,
> and that government overspending was stoking inflation.
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> In September, he wrote that every trillion dollars of debt added is money that “our kids and grandkids are going to have to pay somehow.”
> If debt keeps growing at this pace, Musk warned, the US will be trapped in a vicious cycle where “the only thing we’ll be able to pay is interest.”
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The simple - if nasty - solution to this problem is inflation. Let the dollar inflate and the debt (and the cost of servicing it) dwindles.


People will stop lending you money denominated in terms the inflating currency, so it does effectively bankrupt the country. It has happened from time to time and the countries involved have survived.


Musk doesn't know as much history as he should.

Milton Keynes wrote: "Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, distill their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back."

Almost like he had Musk in mind. He seems to lift his ideas on debt from dead neo-Austrians and his ideas on money as a "database for resource allocation"/information theory from dead Marxists.

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The US can't go bankrupt; it can print all the money it needs.

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MMT is, at its core, a full-employment program for economists.

Not what I meant to write, but not a bad summary of how Musk et al operate! Milton in the good times, Keynes in the bad times.

Not what I meant to write, but not a bad summary of how Musk et al operate! Milton in the good times, Keynes in the bad times.

I've been scooped by AEI anyway:

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Not many individuals can start successful car companies. Or reuse giant rockets. Or become the richest person on Earth.

He embodies the silicon valley philosophy "fail fast, fail often". History is littered with now-gone companies that had no new ideas and failed slowly, once.

That's the way an ignoramus like John Larkin chooses to see it. He doesn't want to do the work required to let him get some idea of what is being said. Despising it is a much cheaper option.

They were scooped long ago...

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It's a much-derided town (now a city) infamous for its roundabouts and concrete cows.

Remember when people were worried about the government/industry spying on them?

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Now people give it away for free! Really the most helpful fashion of citizen

Been there. Had a meeting about building a tomographic atom probe, in a former cow barn. Sort of cool, actually.

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Some of her notes were perfect sine waves on an oscilloscope, the only ones I've seen.

"Twitter/X is also setting up protections to protect against data scrapers. Any user caught viewing or accessing over 1 million posts per day will be fined $15,000 per million, the company said."

I'll be okay, then. I never read more than half that much.

You're quite safe, Jan. Everyone on this board is 100% trustworthy. :)

A most awful, depressing place. How long ago were you there?

Patsy was way better.

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I think the last time I visited it was in 1975 when an Australian architect/town planner friend and his family were living there. The architect was working for the Milton Keynes Council. He didn't find it awful or depressing - it was tolerably well planned.

He was a bit rude about the "set-square architecture". Apparently there was a strip of three and four storey terrace houses that had flat roof line while the ground on which they were built went up and down, and the building went from three to four storeys to absorb the variation.

The Open University is based there - not the sort of thing you would approved of.

A few hours. We were staying in Oxford, which is a magical place.

One of the dons was a pioneer in atom probing, so we did most of our meetings there. I have no idea why we met in a cowshed in MK.

An old building here is 100 years old. Over there, it's 1500. Good thing that earthquakes are rare, or most of England would be a pile of rubble.

There are a few measures. There are 800 military bases around the globe. Certainly some hundred around China make no sense, these could be closed. Install a Reagan era tax for companies, unless you think Reagan is a communist.

Groetjes Albert

Elon Musk doesn't fall in this category. He bought Tesla with inherited money from the successful founders, then he got rid of them. Knowledgeable people predict the bankruptcy of Tesla with 5 years, because there are no new cars developed, and an affordable hybrid is long overdue. Chinese manufacturers don't gamble their future with alone pure EV's. Cars are a mass market, and most people cannot buy the cheapest Tesla.

Also he manages to run Twitter into the ground for as far a positive force.

Groetjes Albert

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