Bill Sloman snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote: |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |"> N.B. Bill Sloman misused "learned" instead of "learnt". | | | |It's not a misuse, merely a regional variant." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
Dear Doctor Sloman,
A use of "learned" instead of "learnt" is a regional misuse.
|--------------------------------------------------------| |"Many Dutch kids learn French[. . .] from an early age."| |--------------------------------------------------------|
I used to be employed in the Netherlands by an employer whose languages are French and English. The Anglophones who used to be employed by this then employer then vastly outnumber the Francophones who used to be employed by this employer then.
A then Anglophone neigbour used to persecute a then workmate who natively speaks French and who at that time used to work in French and English, by repeatedly saying to him in English (not French) that he must speak Dutch.
A friend of Belgian nationality told me that persons of Dutch nationality say things to her like "Wow! You can speak French!"
I detected noone in the Netherlands using French when I used to reside there, except for coworkers.
All then employees then in this section of this then employer are Anglophones. A majority (55%) are Francophones, an unusually high proportion. This then chief is natively a Francophone. English is this project's language.
A Dutch then company (before it went bust) on this project tried to apply for money to a French centre for an unrelated project. This Dutch ex-company's ex-chiefs are of Dutch nationality. They wanted to know if a tender must show a proposed price including tax or excluding tax. So they telephoned this French centre to ask. They did try asking in broken French, but they rapidly reverted to English while they frantically reached for their French dictionary to find a French word for tax. Given this lack of preparation and given this anti-engineering belief, this ex-company deservedly went bust.
|-----------------------------------------------------------------| |"Many Dutch kids learn [. . .] German [. . .] from an early age."| |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
I bought German magazines from a person of Dutch nationality who used to be raised in the Netherlands near the German border. He used to buy them by short travels into Germmany. He did not have a good grasp of German when I bought them, so he declined to use German.
|----------------------------------------------------------| |"Many Dutch kids learn [. . .] English from an early age."| |----------------------------------------------------------|
Yes. "Langenscheidt Expresskurs Niederländisch" alleges that persons who speak Dutch are less good at English than they believe. I do not detect so.
|---------------------------------------------------------| |"Lots of Belgians are raised as French/Dutch bilinguals."| |---------------------------------------------------------|
Of course. "Wow! You can speak French!" said an aforementioned friend of Belgian nationality acting like persons of Dutch nationality. "Yeah. [She can speak ]A little[ French]." said she herself as a response to downplay these amazements. (S.
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