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You certainly "work in electronics." But do you design electronics?

John Larkin works in electronics, and thinks he designs electronics, but what he posts suggests that he actually evolves electronics.

Since John Larkin also seems to believe in "intelligent design" as opposed to Darwinian Evolution, he may not see the inconsistency.

Bill, why are you stalking John Larkin? Your repetitive attacks are annoying.

John Larkin's repetitive attacks on anybody who doesn't give him the adulation he craves are also annoying.

His repeated suggestions that anybody who disagrees with him "isn't designing electronics" are no less tediously repetitive. High-lighting his defects doesn't serve any useful purpose, but it vents my irritation (and I don't do it every time).

Maybe we can all agree that pointless repetitive attacks are annoying and, well, pointless - regardless of who is doing it?

Ignore him. There is an unlimited supply of creeps in this world, and they can all post to usenet or twitter or whatever. It's not worth a second of our time to reply to any of them.

I don't attack Sloman or the gnuguy, I ignore them. I'll start ignoring the foulmouth too.

I'm happy to objectively discuss electronic design with anyone who actually does it.

John Larkin wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

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I find them entertaining. JL has the sort of attitude about himself I find unpleasant. If I met him in person I expect I'd quickly find him very bor ing. JL seems to have no awareness of this. It almost seems a public duty to make him aware of this... but it would seem to no avail. But the urge persists and is hard to resist.

I expect his self image, based on his proficiency in the relatively small f ield of electronics, allows him to express opinions on topics where he is n ot enlightened resulting in his often spreading BS as if it were truth. In these areas he is clearly a menace and his lack of intelligence needs to b e illuminated as much as possible.

Rick C.

I read this and was about to reply "amen" until I realized it was written *BY* JL instead of *ABOUT* JL.

Rick C.

Does *anyone* design electronics any more?

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That's a very revealing question from CD :)

We do, but it's increasingly rare to design "real" electronics. All the kids want to type code.

Right. A quick look at our training catalogue under electrical and electronics engineering shows courses in VHDL and Verilog FPGA programming, various CAD and simulation packages, LabVIEW, and some in-house remote equipment control software libraries.

Granted, there are a few real electrical engineering courses too: RF instrumentation and measurements, low temperature electronics, radiation effects on electronics and and a few courses on signal integrity and EMC/ESD.

Jeroen Belleman

So, to paraphrase: "Do as I say, not as I do."

We're all social animals, we do NOT naturally ignore others. Finding reasons to do so is as silly as spitting (sic) into the wind.

No, the proper expression is "The topic is electronic design, so ignore people who don't do it."

Well, do what comes naturally; most people do.

OK, you can engage in endless rounds of lame insults with a few foul-mouthed jerks who don't discuss electronic design. Enjoy.

In Agent, you can visually spot the patterns, gigantic sub-threads with the usual few jerks squabbling at each other at maybe 3rd grade level. There's no point in reading anything there, because it's always the same.

Here in the Bay Area, the "engineering" employment ads are all for soft stuff; almost never for a real circuit designer.

I get a lot of resumes too, and nobody lately seems to actually want to work with electricity. It's all the stuff that you listed above.

I'd love to hire and mentor kids with real talent and interest in electronics; the last time we got a summer intern like that, we hired her fast.

I've had interns who wouldn't go near a logic board that obviously had a 5 volt power supply. They were afraid of being electrocuted.

I went back to my university for an open day on the 40th anniversary of my graduation.

I was pleased to see the labs equipped with equipment suitable for analogue electronics. Talking to the students, the theoretical+practical ethos was more or less unchanged, which was a very pleasant surprise.

The main change was that many of the lab projects were team based, were open-ended and many involved building drones/robots. They clearly weren't simply plugging pre-specified bits together.

Code is where the real work is. You can find a dozen engineers to design a ny hardware. Designing a new and radically different product takes softwar e. Lots of great products don't even involve hardware other than as a plac e to run the code. There are any number of extremely useful and important apps on phones and PCs that have much more impact on the world than anythin g from Highland Tech.

Rick C.