narrow pulse generator

I want to make a narrow pulse. This will drive an e/o modulator to be an optical "fiducial" marker in a laser system.

I can use a Leo Bodnar style laser driver chip to make a fast edge, but I don't know if the chip will propagate a 100 ps wide pulse.

If it won't, maybe I can feed it a step and clip the output with a shorted transmission line. Making a 16.66 ohm line is a bit clumsy on a PC board... it's pretty fat.

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jlarkin
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Am 16.05.21 um 19:34 schrieb snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com:

I see no problem with a 10 GBit/sec laser driver. A bit cell is 100 ps, and they must switch on/off in this time and present a nice open eye to the laser. And the laser will produce overshoot itself when it was quite off before. IIRC, the extinction ratio was expected to be > 10 dB.

Hey, wasn't it you who complained about the thin FR4 on the Chinese 4 layer boards?

BTW. we used FR4 for our 10 GB/s XFP transceivers, and a Kapton tape to connect the TO-52 TOSA. That tape was a modeling nightmare in HFSS.

OK, with a e/o modulator it will be simpler than feeding the laser directly.

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:-) Gerhard

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Gerhard Hoffmann

I'm thinking that the laser driver will propagate a 100 ps wide pulse, and I can make that. I might lay out a test board with the tx lines such that I can Dremel them away as needed.

The annoyance is that everybody who makes fast stuff seems to assume telecom applications, ac coupled balanced fast data. So you have to experiment to see how/if they work dc coupled for pulses.

Yes, that was unexpected. Bad for fast stuff. Every pad become a capacitor.

The e/o also does shaping of a light pulse that's furnished. The fiducial is an occasional calibration thing that we will mix in.

If all we wanted was a fast light spike, we might use a gain-switched laser.

It's astounding that you can get a 10 gbps SFP module for $20 from Amazon. I'd quote about $2000.

We use them for testing fast o/e converters.

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jlarkin

Am 16.05.21 um 20:22 schrieb snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com:

SFP is much easier than XFP. Esp. XFP @ 1550 nm. SFP could use VCXLs. That means 5 mA against 50 mA modulation current for DFB, and simple resistors vs. real bias tees in XFP.

They could not grow the vertical cavities for the VCXLs for large wavelengths. Maybe it is better now.

The AC coupling is a great help, otherwise the modulator would have to provide the DC bias, too, with much larger & slower transistors, and constantly changing the operating point for power and extinction ratio.

Infineon sold "us", i.e. Infineon Fiber Optics to Finisar, I spent some weeks with 3 other colleges in San Jose for tech transfer. Me, as a free lancer, not even a real IFX member. :-)

At that time, the real cost was about your $2K for XFP. We dreamt of $300 or so. But if you have a _pilot_ production line with 300 people...

Gerhard

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Gerhard Hoffmann

Even longwave SFPs are cheap now. You can also get WDM ones that transmit in both directions over a single fiber.

A genuine Cisco 850nm/10g lists for something like $1200 now.

Here's my layout so far.

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I bailed on the shorted transmission lines to make the short pulse. They would have been 16 ohms, and were a nightmare to lay out. I hope the laser driver chip can input and output a 100 ps pulse.

Worst-case, I can dremel a shorted line on a thin substrate and solder it, sticking up, across the SMA connectors.

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jlarkin

Three 50R transmission lines in parallel would give you 16.67R. Burying a strip-line would gets you a lower impedance line for the same trace width.

The transmission line impedance formulae you find in digital logic application notes tend not be all that useful at 16.6R impedance levels.

I've got a copy of this book

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Bill Sloman

You could make 3x shorted 50 Ohm lines and connect them in parallel. You might be able to put them on different layers to save area.

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Chris Jones

We wanted to do a coplanar waveguide, because it would be easy to hack, to tune the length of the short. But it was too big.

Vias are nasty at these speeds, so all the fast stuff is on the top layer.

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jlarkin

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Microstrip is dispersive, which can matter at those speed, so you should realise the transmission line as buried stripline and used just one via to get it out of the board - which is an inevitable discontinuity anyway.

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Bill Sloman

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