Motor driver current snese protection

This is the classic triple tottem pole 3-phase inverter. There was a failure of the motor wires getting shorted together and the bus capacitor (100uF charged to 500VDC) dumped through two on IGBTs and blew the 0.1 ohm current sense resistor. This presented 500V on the input of the opamp that was measuring the voltage across that resistor. It blew and connected

500V to the +12V rail and blew everything on that rail including the TVS (SMB package). :(

The reliability guy suggested a SMC or DPAQ diode across the 0.1ohm resistor to catch the voltage if it were to blow again to hopefully save the tool.

Would it make more since just to beef up the 0.1 ohm resistor to handle the pulse load of a 500V 100uF cap discharging into it? (thinking metal bar) The cap ESR is ~2ohms so the theoretical peak current would be 250A.

Any other protection schemes? (HV resistor between the current sense and opamp with clamp)

Reply to
Mook Johnson
Loading thread data ...

Do you have to measure DC levels? If not a current transformer might be an option. It's easier to clamp on the side of the burden resistor and when something really gross happens the core just saturates and the single turn primary almost becomes a wire.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Reply to
Joerg

Sounds doob-yuss.

Sounds expensive, and might 25V with 0.1R source impedance not potentially cause some major grief in the op-amp circuit?

An impedance (eg. a 10K 500V resistor rated at say 1W-- check the pulse ratings) in series with the 0.1R and put a diode or tranzorb on the other side of *that*.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

--
"it\'s the network..."                          "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com             Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog  Info for designers:  http://www.speff.com
Reply to
Spehro Pefhany

Then I'd also do that for the other side. In case that side goes open for some reason and the whole motor current would decide to flow through the measuring box and then ground instead, melting a few thing along the way, orange sparks flying and that sort of thing.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Reply to
Joerg

I wonder if putting a small sarcificial .5 ohm resistor on the collector of the top IGBTs would help the situation. If it blows open the rest of the circuit would fall to ground. Since it would be 5 times the resistance of the .1 ohm and physically smaller (say a 2010 vs Vishay WSR 2W) it "SHOULD" blow first. Kind if a fuse of sorts. The peak phase currents we're talking about here is 1.5A RMS. Duty cycle should be about 70%. Of course the 2010 resistors are typically limited to 250 max so at 500V would they just acrh across and short instead of blowing open. What I really need is a fuse. Are there SMT Fuse type devices around? Runs fine at say 3A continuous and pops when > than say ~10 amps is applied?

Maybe a thin trace in the PCB?

Reply to
Mook Johnson

yes this motor runs very slow sometimes and a current sense transformer would have be very large to pass the signal. I was thinking along thise same lines.

I need something very small as my space is tight (as usual).

Reply to
Mook Johnson

Of course you mean in series with the opamp input. As in: Between 0.1R and input.

robert

Reply to
Robert Latest

right. :)

Reply to
Mook Johnson

Of course.

| +-||- ->|| 10K +-|| /| ___ | /+|--------+-|___|---+ -< | | | \\-|- V .-. |\\| - | | 0.1R | | | | | | '-' | | | +----------+---------- | GND

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

--
"it\'s the network..."                          "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com             Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog  Info for designers:  http://www.speff.com
Reply to
Spehro Pefhany

Probably nothing SMT. At these current and voltage levels a fast trip is usually accompanied by molten solder and stuff flying about.

Noooo ....

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Reply to
Joerg

ElectronDepot website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.