Most awful hack job, but my kid likes it

It might help if you told us what CAD system it was originally designed with. If you don't know, you ARE in trouble.

Paul Burke

"Full Citizenship"? Which rights are we talking about here?

I recall reading somewhere about an ethical theory that it is "self-evident" that "all men are created equal", with no exceptions noted for those captured in Asia.

"self-evident"

Is that your personal opinion, or that of Conservative America, or the Republican Party, or the White House?

Then form your own f****ng village idiot country. It's time we started machine-gunning illegal immigrants, or at least sentence them to one year on the rock pile then send them back.

...Jim Thompson

Personal opinion.

You don't like it? Tough!

...Jim Thompson

On 14 Nov 2005 04:29:36 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote in Msg.

People who think that death penalty, torture, and long imprisonment without a court case are appropriate subjects for light-hearted jokes aimed at "leftist weenies" won't be inclined to give such concerns any serious thought.

robert

I have an idea, how about we just stop the people who directly threaten us?

OK, so what's the right answer? We should just "protest in the strongest possible terms" again? That's what got our airplanes run into our buildings, if you may recall - we responded weakly, they were emboldened, and a bunch of people died because of it. I don't see that as a successful strategy.

There you go Godwin'ing the thread.

You're joking. "We bombed their ship, and their president was so occupied with is girlfriend, he didn't do anything. We bombed their embassies, and they "protested strongly". We can get away with whatever we want, and all they'll do is squeal about it."

That kind of thing.

If you don't pay attention to history, then news will always be a surprise to you, I suppose.

Weak responses to terrorist acts have led to terrorist acts of greater intensity. Intense responses to terrorist acts have, so far, prevented more terrorist acts on US soil. Seems pretty obvious to me - hit the bully back in the face, and he backs down.

Yeah, we tried that. It got the WTC knocked down, maybe you heard of that little incident?

Cite, please?

That stops working when they attack us.

WRONG. Clinton spent only a modest amount of time with his "girlfriend" as you call it. His preoccupation thereafter was with the gang of Republicans who were determined to bring him down, for whatever reason, at whatever cost. In the end that cost was 9-11. Get real. It's all your fault.

Rich, you were there, tell us, did fighting them over there mean we didn't have to fight them over here?

snippage

snippage

Now there's a phrase I'm going to commit to memory. Well done.

Did my time during the 'Nam fiasco, and there it was "godless commies" and "VC".

They didn't want us colonizing either. Or murdering them. So they threw our imperialist asses out. The VC's suicide bombers were children, BTW.

Thanks, Rich

Does this mean you consider the Declaration of Independence to be a leftist weenie plot?

If so, does that mean you are moving to Canada soon?

You think Monica caused 9-11? That's hallucination.

Did my time there too, Parson. Came close to coming home in a bag. So? I come by my opinion of radical Islamists from up close and personal experience. You don't, obviously. You want to get all warm and fuzzy about them being eliminated, fine. To me it's a good day when our ordnance facilitates it. I harbor no illusions about the intentions of these people. Take your absolution, pass it through a die, and screw it right up your ass. (Obligatory metal content.) "May God/Goddess/All That Is have mercy on your Soul". Wow, Parson. What insufferable arrogance.

Odd...Clinton only spent a small amount of time getting a hummer, or blowing coke, the evil Right took up all the rest of his time, which as a result, ended up with 9-11. Thats your claim?

Interesting how a head injury can result in hallucinations.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the s*it out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Actually, Spehro, in some places putting the receptacle on its side

As for the OP - please rethink what you're teaching your kids!!

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

The thing I miss most from the American (and British) politicians, and many of the posters here, is the ability to look at a conflict from the other side. You might not agree with the other side, but a bit of thought as to how things look from their point of view makes an enormous difference in settling any disagreement. After all, you do want all sides to reach agreement, don't you?

After continual harassment and oppression from the West (lead by the USA, with Britain following and the rest of the West tacitly agreeing) and from Western supported regimes, freedom fighters ("one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter") tried fighting back by bombing a ship. Since the USA refused to do the right thing and pull out, they bombed an embassy. Since the USA still refused to listen, they had no choice but to get serious, and make a bit to hit the USA where it hurt most - in the purse. It cost thousands of innocent lives (first westerners in the USA, then Afghans and Iraqis), but that's collateral damage in the war.

I don't agree with al Quida's aims or their methods - but I don't agree with the USA's aims or methods either. But I know for sure that the conflicts will *never* stop until each side starts looking at things from the other side's point of view. There is little doubt that bin Laden knows far more about the American way of thinking than vice versa

- he has had plenty of contact with Americans over the last twenty years, and as a result has been playing Bush for a fool.

There are two reasons why there have been no new terrorist attacks in the USA, and only minor "reminder" attacks in other countries (London and Madrid victims might not consider the attacks "minor", but compared to what they could easily have been, they were minor). First, there is no need - their aim is to economically damage the USA and to alienate it from its allies. The US administration is currently doing this to itself at such a rate that al Quida don't want to unbalance it. Secondly, a major attack on the US would increase sympathy for it, which would be counter-productive.

If you think that the USA's attack on Iraq has made the USA, or the world in general, safer in any way, then you really are living in a box. Al Quida could easily cause all sorts of attacks on the USA if they choose - the attacks on London were a demonstration of this power.

And for your information, it is the USA who is the bully that was hit in the face. It hasn't backed down yet - we can only hope that the other children will have the courage to persuade him to mend his ways before a victim brings a knife to the schoolyard.