On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:00:34 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in :
Yes, that is really really low current.
I was just doing a quick and dirty fast hack. But again, your ciruit does not put the full 100V over the device under test?
On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:00:34 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in :
Yes, that is really really low current.
I was just doing a quick and dirty fast hack. But again, your ciruit does not put the full 100V over the device under test?
Just connect 100V to the "DC IN" BNC.
A simplified version of this would be just a high-value resistor and an opamp follower. I think someone here noted an opamp that's even better than the LMC6001 for leakage.
Digikey has 1G resistors. That will get you a volt per nanoamp, so you could resolve maybe 1 pA with a little zero checking. I have a set of Pomona-mounted resistors from 1K to 1T, as the "Z1".
Electrostatic and hum pickup is a problem with these measurements. I can pin the needle on the Keithley from 10 feet away, shuffling feet on the carpet. My little pA tester box has an aluminum cover, a chassis box, that I plop over the top when measuring fA levels.
On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:08:40 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in :
Yes, but that is not what I meant,
100V on the DC input does not give 100V over the device under test. that is limited by the opamp. You may want to look for breakdown in the device under test.
These JFETS BF245 are also like that, but to measure current you could perhaps use one of these transconductance opamp?
It is funny, just a while back I had a discussion about current in sci.physics. So many electrons per unit of time passing by;
Voltage is a very vague thing, and not much under our control. Any motion of charged particles will change the charge distribution (electrons, positrons, what not), I then mentioned an electron could even fall under the influence of gravity (maybe near a black hole for example) and there would be a current[1]. Voltage (Volt) is derived from current:
I like BJTs because basically those are current amplifiers,.
I have something like this with a darlington in use to amplify some photocell current to adjust the brightness of a display in an old alarm clock.
Want more gain, add an other transistor, temperature leakage is the limit probably.
[1] as opposed to the remark by somebody there that electrons are only moved - current is created - by a electric field. There is electron spin too, magnetic moment, all great stuff. ?
there's no need for a low impedance, the voltage sourece you draw has
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I wrote GPIB stuff in the 1980s as well. Not that bad if you understand GPIB; worst part is dealing with all the manufacturers (stuff) that made GPIB stuff and didn't understand it well.
Back to your issue, perhaps a TIA to convert the leakage current into a voltage and fed that to the on-chip ADC? The 100 V(dc) would have to be decently quiet.
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So you create 100VDC with a DC-DC converter and run it into the highest value resistor you can reasonably buy (say 10M- and it should be rated to more than 100V) and then amplify that with a low Ib op-amp to whatever your micro wants to see. Obviously you add some series resistance (1M is probably just fine) on the op-amp input so if the test electrodes are shorted you don't screw up the op-amp.
1G would result in 100nA across 10M, which gives you a nice fat 1V signal and you could reasonably make measurements from 1G up into the many 10's of G. It's actually reading conductivity so your resolution decreases as the resistance increases, and increases as the resistance decreases (right up until it saturates).Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
Jfets have a lot of gate current, especially if you don't keep the drain voltage low. My old Keithley electrometer uses discrete small-signal mosfets. Some cmos opamps are awfully good; it's tedious to measure their input current.
I have a cheat-card always in view on my desk. Hex values. My own cell phone number. Some physical constants, including 1 fA = 6250 electrons/sec.
On a sunny day (Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:50:21 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in :
I have a sticker with my own number on the phone, I knwo it by now though. I can feel them electrons with the back of my hand.
There's a Chinese version of the hand-cranked type too, at only 3% of the Grainger sticker price. That's right - not 30% - 3%.
Where does the money go, I wonder?
RL At
That actually looks pretty decent, except for the cheesy test probes.
Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
What I did was use a 100 vdc supply thru a 10megohm resistor to the dut. I used a DMM to read the 100volts and the volts across the dut. Calculate the unknown R.
Remember to correct for the DVM input resistance!
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