Maxim IC frustration - hard to find components

Hi, Rebecca,

It's getting to be conventional wisdom among EEs that one should avoid designing Maxim parts into products. It doesn't help that pinouts are deliberately made non-standard.

I've been personally burned four or five times. At this instant, we can't ship over a million dollars worth of product because Maxim has slipped their promised delivery date on MAX5205's. Do you know where I can score a couple of hundred?

I've been having friends and family request samples, which are available. Every 8 dacs we can scrounge, we can ship a $54,000 laser modulator.

John

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John Larkin
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I'm curious which parts you think have deliberate non-standard pinouts. I can tell you in the decade I worked there, this was never an issue. Pinouts are carefully chosen to minimize noise, ease PCB layout, etc. To keep costs down, Maxim doesn't make a die per each package type (in general), so pinouts are designed to work across many package types. [Back lap specs change from package to package, so often wafers get allocated to one particular package at the expense of another, which in turn causes shortages in a particular package type.]

At no company did I ever deliberately make pinouts to be non-standard. If anything, if a part exists already with defined pinouts, you make it a point to use THOSE pinouts in order to steal the sockets with your hopefully superior product.

For one chip I did at a company I better not mention, a customer leaked us a datasheet of a competitors part. We actually changed our part to match their pinouts since our part was still in design. They had an interesting feature that I added as well. As luck would have it, our part came out before their part, but with the competitors pinouts and features. While we were doing high fives, I suspect somebody at the competition was pounding their fist on the conference table.

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miso

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Michael A. Terrell

I believe she mentioned the Philippines; it may be worth it to make a trip out there. *Must* you use Maxim's MAX5205?

This is very interesting:

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Short, anyone?

Michael

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mrdarrett

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xray

Try keeping a TV station on schedule from sign on to sign off, including a live newscast where the "Talent" didn't wand to shut up at the end of their 30 minutes.

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Michael A. Terrell

I DJ'd for our college station (the only student station network affiliated, at the time) for a summer in the early '70s. I didn't have so much trouble ending on time for the network news, and such. My problem was getting all the work done, when it needed doing; logs, transmitter readings, station breaks...

Never thought of it that way.

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krw

I base that statement on the parts I see, and an interview with Maxim's CEO, where he said that nonstandard pinout was a specific company strategy.

Got any 5205's you can spare?

John

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John Larkin

Technically, it was a perfect fit. Bummer.

Just goes to show you that engineers' opinions do matter. As word gets around about these sorts of problems, we design around somebody else's parts.

John

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John Larkin

Look at the 5-year chart and compare with LLTC and ATML.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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Spehro Pefhany

Joerg,

Yes, Maxim Dallas Direct (MDD) is definitely also for large volume production needs. Of course there will be times when our standard lead time is too long for customer requirements, and when that happens, let us know. Our people are trained to do everything possible to always meet customers' lead time requirements. Too often the customer just hears the lead time, says thank you, and hangs up. If we know you need parts sooner we will look at upgrades, alternatives, world wide inventory, etc. What I find most useful is when customers are able to provide their drop dead quantity and their run rate. If a customer calls in for 10k, the lead time may be 8 weeks, but if they are only using 1k/week, we can often find ways to split their order into 1k shipments and keep their production line running. In addition, customers are able to schedule orders out as far as a year. This allows them to take advantage of volume prices and helps eliminate delivery issues.

Thank you for your suggestion regarding tracking lost business due to lead time.

Sincerely, Rebecca

Joerg wrote:

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Rebecca of Maxim Dallas

Rebecca,

another issues:

-- Why is it so difficult to get from a part to the online shop?

For example, I have followed

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-> Video -> Video On-Screen Display -> Max4455

This is straightforward and gives a nice overview of the part. Now lets assume I want to check price and availability:

Buy-> By Web: BUY ON-LINE ->Price and Availability ->

Now I have to type in the part by hand...

This isn't straightforward

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Uwe Bonnes

Uwe,

We definitely appreciate any and all feedback about the ecommerce website. It is our sincere goal to make the website as user friendly as possible. I am involved in the constant updating of our ecommerce website and will include your below feedback in our upcoming improvements to the site. Please feel free to contact me if you have any other suggestions.

Thank you,

Rebecca

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Rebecca of Maxim Dallas

Do you have a reference when Jack Gifford said this? Hopefully on-line.

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miso

Call me cynical (it would be much nicer than some things I've been called), but I see Rebecca as 'damage control'.

As I noted much earlier in this thread, I have had assurances in the past that all was changed and Maxim really really _really_wanted to cater to the little project as well as the big one, but then when push came to shove, failed utterly and reverted to type. Once they were designed in and a board fabricated, I encountered an attitude that can only be characterised as arrogant; viz - 'there is no direct substitute for that part and now you'll just have to either order a huge quantity or wait until we happen to get such an order for it'.

The last time that happened I made a board with the same footprint as the part with a competitor's part on it.

The exhortations I hear are rather like the boy who cried Wolf, but I've now heard it too many times to believe it.

I'll believe the reform when I _see_ it. Until then, Maxim is a proscribed vendor for my products. That's a shame as they make some really good stuff.

Cheers

PeteS

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PeteS

This might be appropriate:

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SioL

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SioL

Hello Michael,

Thanks. Just tried it but all it does is say "connecting to wsmcruise" and then nothing happens. I'll try again later.

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Joerg

Just added it to my bookmarks ,Works fine. Nice music ;) :)

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Sjouke Burry

No, it was an interview in some magazine. I was surprised that he just said it out loud.

No 5205's, huh?

John

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John Larkin

That big dip in late '02 was when I quit buying their comparators.

John

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John Larkin

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