Line Voltage Has Offset

Jan 17, 2008 11 Replies

I did an oscilloscope diff. test on a wall outlet. The sine was offset??



|| Outlet ---N------x10 Probe tip 1------Ch 1 | Outlet----G-------------------------- Earth | Outlet----L-----x10 Probe tip 2-------Ch 2 Inv



I confirmed with a DMM on DC setting. Approx. 10VDC with respect to L.



Just a bit curious how the line gets offset.


D from BC British Columbia Canada.


"D from BC"

** Totally WRONG test procedure.

To measure a small DC offset in the presence of a large AC voltage with a DMM - you must first remove most of the AC voltage with a low pass filter.

Try using a 1 megohm resistor in series with a 1 uF film cap wired across the AC supply - then measure the DC component across the cap with your DMM. Allow for the effect of the resistor if you like, it reduces the DC reading by about 10%.

Bet the new result is way under 1 volt.

........ Phil

Could be that some load is creating what is called harmonic distortion of the power "signal". This can result in slightly non-symmetrical upper versus lower halves of the sinewave (or more complicated relationships) and a non-zero DC component of the waveform.

It might be interesting to perform a spectrum analysis of the waveform.

"Greg Neill"

** You are a gullible damn fool.

Go away.

.... Phil

Bummer... I think that was probably a classic DMM gotcha. :( Too much faith in my DMM. :P I just fired myself... :P

Oh! Just got rehired. :)

I did the RC filter circuit as suggested .. Line offset voltage = 0.0001VDC (zilch..) That's more like it.. :)

I dunno wtf I did wrong with the scope set up.. I repeated the set up and the scope shows no offset. Must have goofed a vertical setting. Double fooled..

Embarrassed :(

D from BC British Columbia Canada.

"D from BC" "Phil Allison"

** However, you DO get major brownie points for TAKING the advice, acting on it and then admitting your error.

BTW

You are far from alone in making this particular mistake.

...... Phil

Look at the bright side: Nothing exploded, your scope still works and the house hasn't burned down.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Yet!

"I\'d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" "Daily Thought: SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

Now it wasn't me who said that!

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Yet you contiune to climb back up the stairs,just so you can be pushed right back down. :(

Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I\'ve got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida

It didn't hurt your head though, did it? I mean you have always been like "that", I can tell from past posts ... :-)

JS

... or there was a DC offset and now there isn't. Was the neighbor doing some sort of "science experiment" involving passing large DC currents into a "ground rod"? :) :)

Do you live in the SanFransisco area near a BART station?

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