If you need joint care is your memory next?

I just wanted to start a thread on memory. I think I have a poor memory, although I like to add, I remember what is important to me. I can remember my passwords and what stocks I own some I even remember how many shares I own and what I paid. But, I don't remember names well at all, I sometimes get stuck on one word, usually a descriptor. The one that jumps out lately, because I finally mastered it is Persimmons. My wife grows persimmons and we sell them at the business. Customers ask, "what is that", and I'm stuck trying to pull the name from my memory. The fruit is not something I was aware of until I was older, didn't grow up with it. I don't think I will forget it now. Last night 60 minutes had an interesting piece on a family in Columbia that has a high rate of alzheimers, starting in their 40's, genetically caused. They are using the family to test a treatment method. This story got me started thinking about memory and possible improvement. It doesn't help that my wife has a great memory, she remembers customers from a a year ago and that their sister that was going to have a baby. And she asking was it a boy or... She knows when our seasonal customers should be showing up and is talking about them a few weeks before they arrive. And I'm clueless.

Anyway, ran across this article that starts to broach the subject of "responsible use of cognitive-enhancing drugs by the healthy.

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I see loads of supplements on the market that are supposed to enhance memory, I suspect most are a waste of money. I see Adderal, Ritalin and Modafinil (Provigil) talked about as learning enhancement in many internet discussions. All prescription meds. Also the subject of nootropics, for brain functions, Piracetam, Sunifiram, the racetrams, Bacopa monnieri, Forskolin, Noopept, L-Theanine, the list is long with some having been tested for safety and even ---- And now I'm now stuck for a word, it means proven effective, I'll go search. Ahh, it came to me before I found it. So, the list is long with some having been tested for safety and even some for efficacy. Anyone interested, looking, hoping for any enhancement for their memory? Mikek

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amdx
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Naaaah! I remember too much already >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Careful, someone will suggest you remember to much that's not true :-) Mikek

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amdx

Always trying to help my memory. I take a supplement..... Can't remember what its name is....

Oh yeah, Ginko Baloba. It might help a bit. Saw the 60 minute epidose. I really hope they find something good. My mom and dad are 95 years old. Mom is in a memory care facility with dementia and dad seems sharp as a tack.

boB K7IQ (kindergarten through grade 7 IQ that is)

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boB

That's a leftist disease... ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     | 
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      | 
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    | 
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142    Skype: skypeanalog |             | 
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  | 
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 "It isn't that democrats are ignorant. Far from it... it's just 
  that they know so much that just isn't so"      -Ronald Reagan
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Jim Thompson

We used to joke that my son has "a creative memory" :)

I like that term, and apply it whenever I can.

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Clifford Heath

I have a ghastly-bad time remembering names and faces. And I forget the names of objects, too. But I could draw some 20 and 30 page schematics from memory, and I can do roughly 5% accurate math in my head, almost instantly.

French nearly flunked me out of high school. That word-face-language part of my brain was never very good, and is probably getting worse. But so far, I keep getting better at electronics and signals-systems and cooking and talking to customers.

My spelling isn't getting any better either. Word fixes that for me.

My wife is a speech pathologist, and is great with names and languages. She is helpless with mechanical/electrical things, and with times and quantities, and she tends to burn the things that she cooks. I'm mostly visual and she's mostly verbal, which means that I can do some things better than she can, but I can't verbalize them well.

Some sort of brain-boost supplement would be great. Coffee and chocolate seem to work. Whiteboards are great.

I tried lithium and some probiotics and some exotic supplements just to see what might happen; no obvious effects.

I have a bunch of employees, and they tend to walk into my office and begin conversations without context, like "We found that 56 pF works better." WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Once they back up and tell me what product and circuit they are dealing with, I can dredge the circuit out of my memory and talk intelligently. Electronic design involves literally millions of facts and parts and events, and a lot of the detail is stashed somewhere down in the storage vaults, with "persimmon."

It helps to write things down.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 

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John Larkin

Another oddity of my brain, 25 years ago I lived in Lansing Mi. Downtown Lansing had a main drag called Grand Ave. and a parallel street called Pennsylvania Ave. I have lived in Panama City Florida for 25 years, we have the main drag called Harrison Ave. and a parallel side street named Jenks Ave. To this day I still think Pennsylvania for that side street before I think Jenks Ave.

Mikek

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amdx

snip I have a similar problem. I can draw you a fairly accurate floor plan for every place I've ever lived or worked. But ask me the name of the city or the company and I draw a blank. Usually pops up later, but not when I need it. I know my social security number, but if you ask me, it's gone. No problem with concepts, but have a heck of a time putting a name to them. If I want to look up the specs on something, I've forgotten the number by the time I walk across the room to plug it into google.

I have dozens of clipboards scattered around so I can write it down and carry it to the next room.

I know I have a gadget, but I can't remember the name or where I put it. I frequently find what I'm looking for the first place I looked, but only after tearing the place apart several times.

I don't fear death, but I fear being forced, by some dogooders, to exist long past my expiration date.

I have a strategy. When I'm in assisted living, hopefully much later, I want the caregiver to come in every day and ask me, "Mike, what's your name? Anything other than "Mike" is a failure. If I fail three days in a row, I want to be terminated with prejudice.

When I filled out the Kaiser form where you tell them if you want to be resuscitated, can't remember the name of the form, I suggested my strategy to the administrator. I asked, "where's the checkbox for Kill Me Now?" she was not amused and recommended I seek therapy for depression. It's not depression, it's estate planning.

What were we talking about??????

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mike

Don't worry, we should have suicide booths by then...

CHeers

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Martin Riddle

I think that relies on a different aspect of memory -- spatial relations. I chuckle at all SWMBO's artist friends that can't seem to "get" the idea of perspective. By contrast, I can draw a building -- from any viewpoint -- with intricate detail. Cuz my brain fills in the missing relationships or reminds me: "Hey, there has to be a DOOR here, somewhere!" "Oh, yeah... it was over HERE!"

I'm plagued by heading off to the garage (which is where most of my tools, spare parts, equipment, etc. are stored) to retrieve some item. Of course, I've put my body in motion and freed my mind to continue thinking about whatever is "next" (in importance -- potentially unrelated to the "retrieval" operation).

Then, find myself standing in the garage wondering why I came -- yet KNOWING that I wasn't just wandering aimlessly.

I used to retrace my footsteps (where was I before I got here) in the hope of some visual trigger refreshing that memory; "Oh, yeah. I needed a VHDCI cable for this peripheral!"

But, vanity has prevailed and I now no longer concede defeat so easily. Instead, I remain in the garage and force myself to retrace my steps in my mind: where was I, what was I doing, what would I *likely* have needed as a result of that activity.

When I eventually remember (I can be very stubborn/persistent in forcing the issue!), there's an intense feeling of satisfaction.

I don't attribute these brain farts to diminished faculties but, rather, being preoccupied with too many other things -- things that are more interesting and engaging than remembering to fetch a cable!

I have floor to ceiling, 18" deep industrial shelving, 42 inch wide sections, lining both sides of the garage. Shelves are spaced ~9 inches apart, vertically. Each shelf holds 4 identical 10x6x18 boxes (that I salvage from the local hospital's "box recycle bin"). Each bears a label:

- hammers

- measuring (rules, levels, etc.)

- hardware (screws, nuts)

- VHDCI cables

- optical drives

- mice etc. This helps me keep track of what I have as well as disciplining me to put things back where they "belong": "What's this hammer doing lying about? Put it back in the hammer box!"

It also is a tickler for those times when I find myself in the garage wondering why I'm there; read the labels and it may jog your memory!

Then, its really the LAST place you looked, eh? :>

Then consider carefully where you end up. And, verify they will honor your wishes. Many places will cite "religious objections" in enforcing a DNR, etc. Be particularly careful which hospital you're taken to in an emergency, car wreck, etc. :<

I think you should repeat the exercise with, perhaps, a less "frivolous" set of language. We've had the discussion with our PCP -- to see how cooperative (or, "non-obstructive") he is likely to be when that day comes. Of course, that assumes he'll be in a position to facilitate our wishes -- which might not be the case.

Ginger vs. MaryAnn.

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Don Y

My brother lived in

99 Toton Lane, Stapleford and now lives in 199 Stapleford Lane, Toton.

Or is that vice versa?

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Tom Gardner

MaryAnn. Ginger was too high maintenance.

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They don't get even. 

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Michael A. Terrell

I'd not toss *either* out of bed...

Though, druthers... Julie Newmar -- or Diana Riggs on the other side of the pond (though time seems to have been much more considerate of the former vs. the latter).

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Don Y

Persimmon is often sold as sharon fruit. The 2nd name was created because so many couldn't remember persimmon.

Poor memory can be caused by lack of B vitamins.

NT

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tabbypurr
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Loss of memory is caused by too much sex. Now what was the question again ?>:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I have a friend who's taking Donepezil. He believes it helps, but the level of improvement seems to be well within the range to be expected from the placebo effect. He's willing to endure the ballistic diarrhea it causes.

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mike

Me mum takes donepezil for Alzheimers. It's hard to tell if it helped or not.

George H.

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George Herold

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I picked up a dozen glazed doughnuts at Dunkin' Donuts this morning labeled "0% trans fats".

Clearly a couple of those and a cup of coffee enhance memory ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I saw Dawn Wells (Mary Ann Summers) on Me TV recently, as she introduced some classic TV shows for the network. She is 74.

Tina Louse (Ginger) is 82.

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Never piss off an Engineer! 

They don't get mad. 

They don't get even. 

They go for over unity! ;-)
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